Newey extends Red Bull contract, but steps away from F1 team

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Bonefish Blues said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

For those who haven't seen much of it before, have a look at this red bull video on the oracle team;

http://youtu.be/kECYxBKHguM

As I said, absolutely amazing feats of design

The weak link is increasingly the army of ants running around on what passes for deck, I guess.

What level of electronic control systems, if any, exist on these beasts, and what are the regs which apply to their use, do you know?

Unfortunately I'm no expert on these leviathans, but here's a video that goes into the details of the huge team oracle accident when it capsized;
http://youtu.be/cRW21FubyY4
Presumably if there are no electronic "sailor" aids, it might even appeal to Newey even more as he can bring that knowledge of control systems with him.

[Cyder]

If I remember correctly in the last set of rules the sails and rudder were only allowed to be adjusted manually and not by computer systems.

I think they had some hydraulics for changing the shape of the wing though at the hinged section.

One of the cats very nearly capsized when the hydraulics failed mid tack and the wing stayed powered up 'the wrong way'.

[zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

Is Newey going to be the first person to design a yacht that overheats?

[funkyrobot]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:

Is Newey going to be the first person to design a yacht that overheats?

When he's finished with it, it'll be the size of a canoe!

[MGJohn]

F1 Red Bull's biggest problem is not the possible loss of Newey input, it's the ongoing engine power and reliability issues. Signs are those aspects which have reduced Red Bull's impact on this |F1 season are changing for the better although recent improvements could be misleading.

Providing the top bananas in the F1 section are still interested, Red Bull will do nicely even in the unlikely event Newey completely severs the RB connection. F1 Engine performance and reliability allowing.

[Bonefish Blues]

Teams typically haven't gone on to greater things after he has left them though, have they - in fact rather the reverse applies (and accepting the current engine woes).

[revrange]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:

I do. They broke almost every race and it cost Kimi a title at least.

That was a gearbox, not the braking system, Mika and DC were driving. Remember it only got found out when a photographer stuck his camera inside the cockpit and spotted the pedal that operated it?

[revrange]

entropy said:

The 'third pedal' from the late 90s? Paddy Lowe was in charge of that project, not Newey.

Well maybe Paddy was project leader but i am sure newsy wasn't in charge of the blown diffusors, but someone else was in charge. The point is he was heading the technical team at the time and brought into the concept and ensured it was fitted onto the car.

There was a good piece in autosport about 2 years ago about how Newey and brawn had basically spent the last 20 years trying to beat each other. one may get an advantage like the trick brake system, Brawn then insured it got banned!

[HUI]

RichB said:

I know nothing about this and just had a quick look on Wiki and couldn't find out; what's the distance or format of this race?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Cup


Mrs Hui

[CraigyMc]

HUI said:

RichB said:

I know nothing about this and just had a quick look on Wiki and couldn't find out; what's the distance or format of this race?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Cup


Mrs Hui

The rules change for each America's Cup event -- they aren't usually held every year, rather every few years.

The next one (35th) has these rules: http://www.americascup.com/en/news/92_Who-s-up-for...

[RichB]

HUI said:

RichB said:

I know nothing about this and just had a quick look on Wiki and couldn't find out; what's the distance or format of this race?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Cup
Mrs Hui

As I said I've read Wiki but that seems to focus on how long the boats are not the format of the race i.e. is it one race, a series of races, what's the distance etc. I'll have a look at the other link posted.

[Bonefish Blues]

RichB said:

s I said I've read Wiki but that seems to focus on how long the boats are not the format of the race i.e. is it one race, a series of races, what's the distance etc. I'll have a look at the other link posted.

http://www.americascup.com/en/news/92_Who-s-up-for-the-challenge-Rules-released-for-America-s-Cup.html

[RichB]

Yep just had a look at that, bit complicated isn't it but it appears to me that it's a 3 year race with a final in 2017 between the top 4 boats but I still can't figure out how far these races are. I mean do they race across the Atlantic or just once or twice around Islie Widget? Think I'd better stick to petrol & four wheels

[Bonefish Blues]

RichB said:

Yep just had a look at that, bit complicated isn't it but it appears to me that it's a 3 year race with a final in 2017 between the top 4 boats but I still can't figure out how far these races are. I mean do they race across the Atlantic or just once or twice around Islie Widget? Think I'd better stick to petrol & four wheels

It's like a circuit and st, I'm sure!

The last change of format seemed to be quite radical, with more and shorter races than previously, and I got the impression that this was much the same, with the addition of the series approach to qualification to race vs the American holders.

PS
Don't ask on the Boats Planes etc Forum or they will make us feel very silly indeed

[CraigyMc]

Bonefish Blues said:

RichB said:

s I said I've read Wiki but that seems to focus on how long the boats are not the format of the race i.e. is it one race, a series of races, what's the distance etc. I'll have a look at the other link posted.

http://www.americascup.com/en/news/92_Who-s-up-for-the-challenge-Rules-released-for-America-s-Cup.html

Same link as the one I posted an hour before..

[Disastrous]

RichB said:

Yep just had a look at that, bit complicated isn't it but it appears to me that it's a 3 year race with a final in 2017 between the top 4 boats but I still can't figure out how far these races are. I mean do they race across the Atlantic or just once or twice around Islie Widget? Think I'd better stick to petrol & four wheels

They race around a inshore course - races about half a hour long.

They vary each time though depending on the format the winner sets for the next event.

[RichB]

Disastrous said:

They race around a inshore course - races about half a hour long..

Ah right, thanks. For some reason I assumed that for such huge yachts they'd be long duration races.

[Bonefish Blues]

Disastrous said:

They vary each time though depending on the format the winner sets for the next event.

Seemingly in negotiation with the official challenger, however that's determined prior to the qualifying races

[Disastrous]

RichB said:

Disastrous said:

They race around a inshore course - races about half a hour long..

Ah right, thanks. For some reason I assumed that for such huge yachts they'd be long duration races.

They've been much longer in the last but love it or hate it, the changes have been introduced to increase the 'spectacle' for spectators on the shore and tv audiences.

In the past, when they raced fantastic mono hulled things, it was perfectly possible for the two boats to start together, sail in opposite tacks and not really see each other again until the finish some hours later! Great for sailors but pretty st for your casual spectator.

These things are designed to require athletes to sail and I believe Ellison started from the premise of 'what's the maximum amount of effort a crew can expend over an hour? Ok, let's make the boats require exactly that' and worked backwards.

I love both the old and new format but if you're after 'proper' offshore sailing, you probably want to look at the Volvo Ocean Race which goes around the globe...

[HUI]

RichB said:

HUI said:

RichB said:

I know nothing about this and just had a quick look on Wiki and couldn't find out; what's the distance or format of this race?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Cup
Mrs Hui

As I said I've read Wiki but that seems to focus on how long the boats are not the format of the race i.e. is it one race, a series of races, what's the distance etc. I'll have a look at the other link posted.

Sorry, misread your post earlier

Mrs Hui