Ferrari considering pulling out of F1?
Discussion
http://online.wsj.com/articles/ferrari-could-leave...
So then. Ferrari have decided to play Call My Bluff and yield the big stick to beat up the FIA to change the rules.
As was suggested when the manufacturers' were close to splitting over Mad Max, forget McLaren & Williams, who ever has Ferrari and Monaco has the F1 brand. (Which was probably the reason Mr Eccelestone caved as the new series was going to be taking both of them)
How much is the F1 brand worth without one of the two pillars?
Your move, Bernie.
So then. Ferrari have decided to play Call My Bluff and yield the big stick to beat up the FIA to change the rules.
As was suggested when the manufacturers' were close to splitting over Mad Max, forget McLaren & Williams, who ever has Ferrari and Monaco has the F1 brand. (Which was probably the reason Mr Eccelestone caved as the new series was going to be taking both of them)
How much is the F1 brand worth without one of the two pillars?
Your move, Bernie.
A bit of chest beating most likely, although I'd like to see them back in WEC.
Would it hurt f1? Most definitely. How much? Enough for people to make a big fuss, claim it isn't proper anymore, yadda yadda. But I doubt the core fans would care too much.
Ferrari have been boring and rather tedious, Christ, even the idea of Alonso and Mr Happy going toe to toe has been a let down with captain cheerful failing to get his ass in gear.
Would it hurt f1? Most definitely. How much? Enough for people to make a big fuss, claim it isn't proper anymore, yadda yadda. But I doubt the core fans would care too much.
Ferrari have been boring and rather tedious, Christ, even the idea of Alonso and Mr Happy going toe to toe has been a let down with captain cheerful failing to get his ass in gear.
Mikey G said:
They always threaten to leave after a period of being unsuccessful...
This. Interesting point about not being able to do sportscars and f1. Why not?? They managed it 10 years ago when they used the maserati brand in endurance racimg (but the aco wisely refused the MC12 permission to race) and ferrari dominated F1. 
http://www.thenational.ae/sport/formula-one/ferrar...
I'll take this article with a pinch of salt, and will be very sad to see them leave if they choose to, but surely there must be some substance in it, otherwise it would be "an unnamed source"
I think in some repects, they are correct, it's moved too far away from racing and more about MPG etc
I'll take this article with a pinch of salt, and will be very sad to see them leave if they choose to, but surely there must be some substance in it, otherwise it would be "an unnamed source"
I think in some repects, they are correct, it's moved too far away from racing and more about MPG etc
Best of luck to Ferrari. They'll be up against Audi/Porsche/Toyota and more, all of which have considerable experience in the sport.
Ferrari opted out of sports car racing years ago, the late 60s and finally early 70s. The 512 was a disaster, costing the company it independence if rumours were (either) correct or memory has suffered.
In the 60s sports car racing vied with F1 as the premier motor racing formula, and some might say were the top one. And Ferrari were nowhere. They dropped out for a couple of season, came up with a 312P and it was very successful in the early 70s but they found it impossible to run both sports cars and F1 and went with the latter. This gave a boost to F1 and helped it beat sports cars racing, at least to the top.
The Mosley years meant the support for sports car racing was non-existent, almost as if he didn't want any competition for F1 but then, why on earth would he want that?
Todt - nice to see him at Le Mans - is a different animal and this has allowed sports cars to receive a bit of backing.
I'd like to see sports cars become competition for F1. It would help both I think and some of the silly decisions with regards what was allowed in F1 might well be less dependent on a whim.
Will Ferrari go? Given the number of times they've threatened to leave F1 if they weren't given special consideration (or, perhaps, in this case, given even more benefits than they already have) and they haven't left. Mind you, in many cases they have been given sweeteners, which I feel they might not receive in sports car racing.
I have the feeling that if they can't crack it in F1 with all the considerations they have, they will probably struggle in sports cars if it is a level playing field.
I think this could be exciting times for sport car racing. Merc might be forced to have some presence, if only as an drive train supplier. This, I think, might give more power to motor sports in general.
F1 without Ferrari? It'd still be F1. I'd still watch it.
Edited to add: I disagree with the OP. The heading should be: Ferrari playing politics - yet again.
Ferrari opted out of sports car racing years ago, the late 60s and finally early 70s. The 512 was a disaster, costing the company it independence if rumours were (either) correct or memory has suffered.
In the 60s sports car racing vied with F1 as the premier motor racing formula, and some might say were the top one. And Ferrari were nowhere. They dropped out for a couple of season, came up with a 312P and it was very successful in the early 70s but they found it impossible to run both sports cars and F1 and went with the latter. This gave a boost to F1 and helped it beat sports cars racing, at least to the top.
The Mosley years meant the support for sports car racing was non-existent, almost as if he didn't want any competition for F1 but then, why on earth would he want that?
Todt - nice to see him at Le Mans - is a different animal and this has allowed sports cars to receive a bit of backing.
I'd like to see sports cars become competition for F1. It would help both I think and some of the silly decisions with regards what was allowed in F1 might well be less dependent on a whim.
Will Ferrari go? Given the number of times they've threatened to leave F1 if they weren't given special consideration (or, perhaps, in this case, given even more benefits than they already have) and they haven't left. Mind you, in many cases they have been given sweeteners, which I feel they might not receive in sports car racing.
I have the feeling that if they can't crack it in F1 with all the considerations they have, they will probably struggle in sports cars if it is a level playing field.
I think this could be exciting times for sport car racing. Merc might be forced to have some presence, if only as an drive train supplier. This, I think, might give more power to motor sports in general.
F1 without Ferrari? It'd still be F1. I'd still watch it.
Edited to add: I disagree with the OP. The heading should be: Ferrari playing politics - yet again.
Edited by Derek Smith on Sunday 15th June 09:31
t, different day.The actual interview is nowhere near as bad as some media outlets have made out. They want to get everyone together to sort out dwindling sponsor and spectator interest, and have stated they are committed to F1...seems a fair enough point to me.
Ironically though, one way of helping a little would be to ensure a bit more parity between the teams and what they receive from the organisers. Is it right that Ferrari et al get a bigger slice of the pie just because? More competition has to be a good thing, that means giving the smaller teams a fairer cut.
Ironically though, one way of helping a little would be to ensure a bit more parity between the teams and what they receive from the organisers. Is it right that Ferrari et al get a bigger slice of the pie just because? More competition has to be a good thing, that means giving the smaller teams a fairer cut.
ukaskew said:
The actual interview is nowhere near as bad as some media outlets have made out. They want to get everyone together to sort out dwindling sponsor and spectator interest, and have stated they are committed to F1...seems a fair enough point to me.
Ironically though, one way of helping a little would be to ensure a bit more parity between the teams and what they receive from the organisers. Is it right that Ferrari et al get a bigger slice of the pie just because? More competition has to be a good thing, that means giving the smaller teams a fairer cut.
They just want 2 teams/4 cars with customer chassis.Ironically though, one way of helping a little would be to ensure a bit more parity between the teams and what they receive from the organisers. Is it right that Ferrari et al get a bigger slice of the pie just because? More competition has to be a good thing, that means giving the smaller teams a fairer cut.
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