The Official Hungarian GP Thread 2014 *******Spoilers*****

[MGJohn]

Joffery666 said:

I honestly don't think that Ferrari is anywhere near as much of a 'dog to drive' as everyone's mmaking out. I think it'd come a long way since the beginning of the season, and though not as good as the mercs, is still a pretty good car, as kimi also showed yesterday.

Wrong. Ferrari is a dog ~ been on PH and everything so must be kosher.

[LDN]

Clevers said:

When Vettel put the car in the wall it was clear he was driving the car like he used to when it had a blown floor.

That's a good point. In any case, I thought his save was more skill than luck.

[Catatafish]

Joffery666 said:

I honestly don't think that Ferrari is anywhere near as much of a 'dog to drive' as everyone's mmaking out. I think it'd come a long way since the beginning of the season, and though not as good as the mercs, is still a pretty good car, as kimi also showed yesterday.

I totally agree with this and it's been the case for quite a few years. Upgrades made as each season progresses means Alonso nearly becomes a contender each year towards the second half.

[JonRB]

ash73 said:

Yep, I think I'm done with F1 race threads on PH; it's like watching a chimpanzee tea party.

My own observation is that these threads go through three distinct phases

1. The pre-race stuff, which generally involves fairly intelligent debate about tactics, predictions, and the like. May also contain some betting predictions
2. The in-race stuff, which runs rather like a chat room and is live commentary / reaction on incidents during the race. There isn't often enough time for things to get too bhy or heated, as it is so quick-fire as the race unfolds.
3. The post-race stuff that always descends into a tribal slanging match, trolling, and disagreement.

I always enjoy (1) and (2) and usually unsubscribe from a thread sometime on a Monday as (3) gets too bad.

[Catatafish]

ash73 said:

Yep, I think I'm done with F1 race threads on PH; it's like watching a chimpanzee tea party.

That would be more entertaining tbh.

About 40 pages could be summed up thus:

cmoose doesn't like hamilton very much because of a childhood incident with his sphincter.

[Floor Tom]

Clevers said:

When Vettel put the car in the wall it was clear he was driving the car like he used to when it had a blown floor.

I thought it was more to do with the very slippery Astroturf like Brundel said in the commentary.

[IainT]

Floor Tom said:

I thought it was more to do with the very slippery Astroturf like Brundel said in the commentary.

Hamilton's comment about it was amusing - apparently Seb had been using that extra track for the laps preceding the incident throwing up moisture each time and Lewis wasn't sure it was a good idea. Turns out he was right.

[pingu393]

IainT said:

Floor Tom said:

I thought it was more to do with the very slippery Astroturf like Brundel said in the commentary.

Hamilton's comment about it was amusing - apparently Seb had been using that extra track for the laps preceding the incident throwing up moisture each time and Lewis wasn't sure it was a good idea. Turns out he was right.

Has there been any discussion about Charlie Whiting's views on track limits?

Why would drivers do it if it wasn't faster than sticking to the track limits?

I think going off track should be penalised as it was in Silverstone.

[JonRB]

pingu393 said:

Has there been any discussion about Charlie Whiting's views on track limits?

Why would drivers do it if it wasn't faster than sticking to the track limits?

I think going off track should be penalised as it was in Silverstone.

Charlie said that they analyse data from the cars (presumably during practise?) and he makes a judgement call on whether drivers are benefiting from exceeding the track limits or not. If, in his judgement, there is no clear advantage then he lets them get away with it. If he deems there is an advantage then he publishes a ruling that there will be penalties for going off the track limits at that corner.

[RGambo]

Charlie was proved correct this weekend, both Perez and Vettel were definatly slower out of the final turn by using the astro turf and kurb.

[pingu393]

Yes, but he is only analysing time (hopefully, the time from somewhere on the straight before the corner and on the straight after the corner).

A wider line may take slightly longer, but it maintains speed and does so with less tyre wear. So the small loss in time is compensated for by the extended tyre life.

If it isn't advantageous, the drivers wouldn't do it .

[pingu393]

I'm watching the race again with my son and he made a point...

Could Mercedes have kept LH in the garage until everyone had left the pit lane? This would have meant that he left with warmer brakes as they wouldn't have time to cool.

[SmoothCriminal]

pingu393 said:

I'm watching the race again with my son and he made a point...

Could Mercedes have kept LH in the garage until everyone had left the pit lane? This would have meant that he left with warmer brakes as they wouldn't have time to cool.

Tyres maybe but he was always going to have cold brakes as he was unable to take part in the formation lap.
I dont think They warm the brakes like the tyres via blankets.

[007 VXR]

Way could LH not start from the back of the grid?

[pingu393]

SmoothCriminal said:

Tyres maybe but he was always going to have cold brakes as he was unable to take part in the formation lap.
I dont think They warm the brakes like the tyres via blankets.

I think Brundle said that they can warm the brakes electrically (probably not to anything approaching 900degC). But, regardless, could they have waited, or do they have to start racing on the green light? I don't see why, but there may be a rule that says they must be formed up (either on the grid or in the pit lane) before the green light in order to race.

[IainT]

007 VXR said:

Way could LH not start from the back of the grid?

Because of the work done to his car - there are really strict limits on what you can do before you break parc-ferme regulations and have to start from the pits. Prevents things like dry-qualy with a wet race and people making all sorts of changes to set-up to accommodate it.

[JonRB]

pingu393 said:

I think Brundle said that they can warm the brakes electrically (probably not to anything approaching 900degC). But, regardless, could they have waited, or do they have to start racing on the green light? I don't see why, but there may be a rule that says they must be formed up (either on the grid or in the pit lane) before the green light in order to race.

I suspect that in order to be classified as having started the race, they have to be formed up on the pit exit at the start of the race.

They were trying to warm Lewis' brakes with electric hot air guns just before he left his pit garage but obviously that wouldn't have got that much heat into them.

[johnfm]

Any comments hidden in the 40 pages of irrelevant slanging as to why Merc didn't put the fastest tyres on both cars?

Lewis on the fast tyres with an extra stop would have given him an excellent chance of winning.

[Scuffers]

johnfm said:

Any comments hidden in the 40 pages of irrelevant slanging as to why Merc didn't put the fastest tyres on both cars?

Lewis on the fast tyres with an extra stop would have given him an excellent chance of winning.

playing tyre wear against track position...

they were working on the life of the primes being significantly better than the options - this proved to be marginal.

to be fair to Merc, Ferrari did the same as did RB with Vettel.

[Walford]

think honner sumed it up, people dont whatch because its not about the driver anymore, someone calling on the radio," go 4 more laps off the gas, then change to this tyre, press a majic buttom, turns the veiwer OFF