F1 Azerbaijan clash with Le Mans 2016
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Spiritual_Beggar said:
Regarding F1 cars being quicker.....
Would be interesting to see how quick the LMP1 cars would be with a set of super sticky, disposable tyres like those used on the F1 cars.
The difference between the fastest lap times at Silverstone this year was only 3 seconds.
Qualifying lmp1 1.39.5Would be interesting to see how quick the LMP1 cars would be with a set of super sticky, disposable tyres like those used on the F1 cars.
The difference between the fastest lap times at Silverstone this year was only 3 seconds.
Qualifying F1 1.32.2
F1's are still considerably faster, but as has been mentioned, they don't have to last 24 hours in a single run. F1's are critical on so many areas that LMP1's can afford to be; Engine cooling, brake cooling, failure modes, lighting etc
For me, the biggest irony is that the endurance cars are pushed very hard for 24 hours, whilst the F1 (sprint) cars are driven quite conservatively in comparison.
Both series are to be appreciated and enjoyed.
For me, the biggest irony is that the endurance cars are pushed very hard for 24 hours, whilst the F1 (sprint) cars are driven quite conservatively in comparison.
Both series are to be appreciated and enjoyed.
f1 and lmp1-h also have different fuel flow limits.
While F1 cars can use up to 100kg/h, the porsche 919 is limited to 87kg/h.
If you upped the fuel flow rate of the lmp1 cars they could more than likely easily match the current f1 cars. But then if you allowed F1 cars to up their energy recovery rate from 2mj per lap to porsches 8mj then the f1 cars would run away again due to their significant lower weight.
Due to regulations it is somewhat silly to compare them too much, they are both incredible machines that are handicapped by the regulations imposed.
While F1 cars can use up to 100kg/h, the porsche 919 is limited to 87kg/h.
If you upped the fuel flow rate of the lmp1 cars they could more than likely easily match the current f1 cars. But then if you allowed F1 cars to up their energy recovery rate from 2mj per lap to porsches 8mj then the f1 cars would run away again due to their significant lower weight.
Due to regulations it is somewhat silly to compare them too much, they are both incredible machines that are handicapped by the regulations imposed.
Also, comparing in race trim at Silverstone this year. The fastest lap in the F1 was a 1:37.093 from Hamilton and in the WEC it was a 1:40.836 from the Audi #7. But again these times can be misleading as if i recall it rained in the later stages of the F1 when the cars would have been at their lightest.
I'm a big fan of Le Mans. But I reject the conspiracy theory. As an earlier poster said, there are 20/21 F1 races to be compressed into around 36 weekends.
Le Mans regularly clashed with GPs. Ken Tyrrell used to let his drivers miss the Canadian GP to do Le mans .....probably so he could sell the seat to another pay driver
Le Mans regularly clashed with GPs. Ken Tyrrell used to let his drivers miss the Canadian GP to do Le mans .....probably so he could sell the seat to another pay driver
mollytherocker said:
You guys will disappear up your own arses trying to compare the performance of LMP1 and F1 cars.
They come from a totally different set of rules, disciplines and priorities.
They do not race each other so it is totally irrelevant!
well said. I popped back onto the thread and it seems to have all gone "My Dad is bigger than yours "They come from a totally different set of rules, disciplines and priorities.
They do not race each other so it is totally irrelevant!
kids eh
andyps said:
marshall100 said:
I'm now considering a trip to Le Mans...
Go, you won't be disappointed. 
There are those who sit in the stands for umpteen hours and there are others who watch the first few laps and then the finish. Both seem equally odd to me.
Tremendous fun. And cheap. You could spend a week at Le Mans and take in another couple of WEC events, and then go to the Mille Miglia classic and still have change from a weekend at Silverstone.
That said, I'm a big F1 fan, but the WEC is tremendous to watch and Le Mans has an atmosphere like no other.
Anybody that watched the last WEC race in Fuji vs the Russian GP would have been way more entertained with WEC. 6 hours is a long time and I wish WEC would put an on-demand viewing online or via their app as I think this would help. Just need the BBC to pick up a 2 hour highlights package to get more people into it.
Le Mans as a spectator is something every petrolhead should do once in their life, it's an epic weekend. But watching it on TV doesn't do it for me.
I watch virtually all the F1 races on TV and enjoy them; but having been to watch several live, including Spa .... just leaves me a bit cold. I'm sure Monaco would be special as a live event but I doubt it would have the aura of Le Mans at sunset on the Saturday night.
I watch virtually all the F1 races on TV and enjoy them; but having been to watch several live, including Spa .... just leaves me a bit cold. I'm sure Monaco would be special as a live event but I doubt it would have the aura of Le Mans at sunset on the Saturday night.
Gaz. said:
Quest do a 1 hour highlights programme on the Tuesday after each race, presented by Toby Moody. I doubt the BBC will ever show a WEC race while Discovery have the rights to the series, escpecially given the cripplingly low audience figures that barely register on BARB. For example the Silverstone round had a peak of just 25k and sadly it seem their average audience is too low to be recorded.
Aren't the BBC supposed to be an inclusive broadcaster looking after minority interests and not chasing viewer figures? Maybe we could start a petition!Gaz. said:
andyps said:
Aren't the BBC supposed to be an inclusive broadcaster looking after minority interests and not chasing viewer figures? Maybe we could start a petition!
Fill your boots, though with the BBC making cuts to x, y & z and not renewing long running contracts such as the Voice, and talking about canning childrens programmes I cannot see them airing a WEC programme any time soon. As it is the series is on MotorsTV, Eurosport and Quest in various and often painful flavours. I do hope WEC gets its s
t together as competiton improves the breed and motorsport fans will all be winners if WEC & F1 are in an arms race for an audience share. FOM have got very complacent being by far the biggest fish in a small pond and WEC does well from many people not being able to see the wood for the trees.Frankly, as much as I want to see good drivers race, the last think the WEC needs for me is overexposure and then the BE/F1 bullst that comes with it.
The fact you can get close to drivers and teams at LM and the WEC, alongside the fact that the racing is better trumps any celebrity named driver horsecrap as far as I'm concerned.
And don't even get me started on the costs.....
t that comes with it.The fact you can get close to drivers and teams at LM and the WEC, alongside the fact that the racing is better trumps any celebrity named driver horsecrap as far as I'm concerned.
And don't even get me started on the costs.....
It is interesting, one big difference between WEC and F1 is the commentary. For WEC it is virtually always about "the car number". The drivers are somewhat anonymous in LMP1 - certainly compared with F1. You rarely get people talking about the drivers WAGS, or the 'tension' between drivers etc.
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