Jolyon Palmer, another "Daddy's Boy" in F1. A good thing?
Discussion
Leroy902 said:
A sad fact of life, money talks...
I was thinking about this earlier, on the current grid, exactly who are the 'paid' drivers?
I'd like to think the greats always manage to make it one way or another.
If we put talent completely aside, which drivers have come from humble beginnings...
Vettel (father was a Carpenter)
Alonso (mother worked in a department store, father was a mechanic)
Hamilton (father held 3 jobs at times to keep up funding Lewis's racing career)
Kimi (father was a road builder)
Jenson?, he's full name.... 'Jenson Alexander Lyons Button'
, BUT I think he's father had the links in motorsports to get Jenson up the ladder, rather than have to funds to do so.
I'm sure there's others...
John Button did quite well in Rallycross and worked hard building kart engines to fund Jenson in the early days. His contacts from the Rallycross days helped with the promotion of Jenson and getting him into F1.I was thinking about this earlier, on the current grid, exactly who are the 'paid' drivers?
I'd like to think the greats always manage to make it one way or another.
If we put talent completely aside, which drivers have come from humble beginnings...
Vettel (father was a Carpenter)
Alonso (mother worked in a department store, father was a mechanic)
Hamilton (father held 3 jobs at times to keep up funding Lewis's racing career)
Kimi (father was a road builder)
Jenson?, he's full name.... 'Jenson Alexander Lyons Button'
, BUT I think he's father had the links in motorsports to get Jenson up the ladder, rather than have to funds to do so. I'm sure there's others...
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 24th October 11:54
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 24th October 11:55
Anthony Hamilton had 3 jobs now, did he? Used to be two. Whatever it wasn't for long, Lewis had strong support from others from very early on.
entropy said:
If OP is true then Alex Brundle would've had a stint in F1 by now considereing that dad ran a management company with Mark Blundell.
Dads has made their money in racing, kids want a shot and the dads let them without airs and graces.
The 'Daddy's Boy' tag is more fitting to someone like Max Chilton who had an under whelming CV and I'd never thought he'd become a competent F1 driver.
Yeah, I think there's actually far less nepotism than I'd expect given the doors your Dad must open. Jackie Stewart's son Paul went into management of the family team, Prost Jr never made it to F1. Dads has made their money in racing, kids want a shot and the dads let them without airs and graces.
The 'Daddy's Boy' tag is more fitting to someone like Max Chilton who had an under whelming CV and I'd never thought he'd become a competent F1 driver.
Verstappen and Sainz are both young and fast, if they weren't I don't think their name would be enough- Hill was pushed after a poor 95 and even a WDC didn't save him at Williams.
who have we had so far then?
Hill
Villeneuve
Piquet
Andretti
Sainz
Vestappen
Jolyon Palmer
any others?
raced but didnt make it to F1
Prost jnr
Lauda jnr
Freddi Hunt
On the way up
Fitipaldi (grandson)
plus motor racing families
Bruno Senna deserves a mention, OK he was not a son but was a protege of his uncle.
Bianchi was following his family history
Hill
Villeneuve
Piquet
Andretti
Sainz
Vestappen
Jolyon Palmer
any others?
raced but didnt make it to F1
Prost jnr
Lauda jnr
Freddi Hunt
On the way up
Fitipaldi (grandson)
plus motor racing families
Bruno Senna deserves a mention, OK he was not a son but was a protege of his uncle.
Bianchi was following his family history
Just what wiki said, he could have been company director of all 3 for all I know. It does look like it was a very difficult journey for the family.
I don't think ANY of the drivers have managed to get into f1 purely down to talent, they'll all have had some sort of sponsorship to fund them through.
Anyway, it seems Jenson Alexander Lyons Button, due to his father's links in motorsports had a pretty straightforward route into f1 by the looks of things, the difference to some others being, it was also his talent that got him there.
Anthony Hamilton had 3 jobs now, did he? Used to be two. Whatever it wasn't for long, Lewis had strong support from others from very early on.
I don't think ANY of the drivers have managed to get into f1 purely down to talent, they'll all have had some sort of sponsorship to fund them through.
Anyway, it seems Jenson Alexander Lyons Button, due to his father's links in motorsports had a pretty straightforward route into f1 by the looks of things, the difference to some others being, it was also his talent that got him there.
REALIST123 said:
Leroy902 said:
A sad fact of life, money talks...
I was thinking about this earlier, on the current grid, exactly who are the 'paid' drivers?
I'd like to think the greats always manage to make it one way or another.
If we put talent completely aside, which drivers have come from humble beginnings...
Vettel (father was a Carpenter)
Alonso (mother worked in a department store, father was a mechanic)
Hamilton (father held 3 jobs at times to keep up funding Lewis's racing career)
Kimi (father was a road builder)
Jenson?, he's full name.... 'Jenson Alexander Lyons Button', BUT I think he's father had the links in motorsports to get Jenson up the ladder, rather than have to funds to do so.
I'm sure there's others...
John Button did quite well in Rallycross and worked hard building kart engines to fund Jenson in the early days. His contacts from the Rallycross days helped with the promotion of Jenson and getting him into F1.I was thinking about this earlier, on the current grid, exactly who are the 'paid' drivers?
I'd like to think the greats always manage to make it one way or another.
If we put talent completely aside, which drivers have come from humble beginnings...
Vettel (father was a Carpenter)
Alonso (mother worked in a department store, father was a mechanic)
Hamilton (father held 3 jobs at times to keep up funding Lewis's racing career)
Kimi (father was a road builder)
Jenson?, he's full name.... 'Jenson Alexander Lyons Button'
, BUT I think he's father had the links in motorsports to get Jenson up the ladder, rather than have to funds to do so. I'm sure there's others...
Edited by Leroy902 on Saturday 24th October 11:54
Edited by Leroy902 on Saturday 24th October 11:55
Anthony Hamilton had 3 jobs now, did he? Used to be two. Whatever it wasn't for long, Lewis had strong support from others from very early on.
rallycross said:
And Thomas Scheckter
He never actually raced in F1, did he? His F1 career didn't recover after he was fired from Jaguar... http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns04131.htmlthegreenhell said:
He never actually raced in F1, did he? His F1 career didn't recover after he was fired from Jaguar... http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns04131.html
Almost, he was a test driver for Jag.If you are quick you are quick , regardless of who your dad was or how many bills he could pay. Stirling Moss came from a comfortable background with family help , Mike Hailwood ditto, Rodriguez brothers ditto and Senna's family weren't paupers but all of these guys had talent to give away . Money can buy opportunity but not talent ; as said above Mansell's lads had the former but not the latter whereas Damon Hill had the latter but not the former.
Its crazy that the F2 champion cannot drive in the series the next year but could understand it if the champion gets a guaranteed Drive in F1.
I like to watch F2 and over the last few years Jolyon Palmer in my opinion has been the best driver,very committed,exciting and a fantastic over taker and reminds me a bit like Nigel Mansell.
It is pretty obvious that Renault and not Lotus made the call on Jolyon Palmer and as they have plenty of money and a manufacturer team do not need a pay driver and think they thought he was the best option.He probably brings with him a few million from sponsors but do not think that was the deciding factor.
Next year I can see him finishing quite a lot of points above Pastor.
I like to watch F2 and over the last few years Jolyon Palmer in my opinion has been the best driver,very committed,exciting and a fantastic over taker and reminds me a bit like Nigel Mansell.
It is pretty obvious that Renault and not Lotus made the call on Jolyon Palmer and as they have plenty of money and a manufacturer team do not need a pay driver and think they thought he was the best option.He probably brings with him a few million from sponsors but do not think that was the deciding factor.
Next year I can see him finishing quite a lot of points above Pastor.
btcc123 said:
Its crazy that the F2 champion cannot drive in the series the next year but could understand it if the champion gets a guaranteed Drive in F1.
I like to watch F2 and over the last few years Jolyon Palmer in my opinion has been the best driver,very committed,exciting and a fantastic over taker and reminds me a bit like Nigel Mansell.
It is pretty obvious that Renault and not Lotus made the call on Jolyon Palmer and as they have plenty of money and a manufacturer team do not need a pay driver and think they thought he was the best option.He probably brings with him a few million from sponsors but do not think that was the deciding factor.
Next year I can see him finishing quite a lot of points above Pastor.
I think you mean GP2. F2 has been dead four a few years now. I like to watch F2 and over the last few years Jolyon Palmer in my opinion has been the best driver,very committed,exciting and a fantastic over taker and reminds me a bit like Nigel Mansell.
It is pretty obvious that Renault and not Lotus made the call on Jolyon Palmer and as they have plenty of money and a manufacturer team do not need a pay driver and think they thought he was the best option.He probably brings with him a few million from sponsors but do not think that was the deciding factor.
Next year I can see him finishing quite a lot of points above Pastor.
rallycross said:
who have we had so far then?
Hill
Villeneuve
Piquet
Andretti
Sainz
Vestappen
Jolyon Palmer
any others?
raced but didnt make it to F1
Prost jnr
Lauda jnr
Freddi Hunt
On the way up
Fitipaldi (grandson)
plus motor racing families
Bruno Senna deserves a mention, OK he was not a son but was a protege of his uncle.
Bianchi was following his family history
Paul Stewart, son of Jackie Stewart had a stint in F3000 I believe before running an F1 team. Hill
Villeneuve
Piquet
Andretti
Sainz
Vestappen
Jolyon Palmer
any others?
raced but didnt make it to F1
Prost jnr
Lauda jnr
Freddi Hunt
On the way up
Fitipaldi (grandson)
plus motor racing families
Bruno Senna deserves a mention, OK he was not a son but was a protege of his uncle.
Bianchi was following his family history
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