What's the lineage of existing teams?

[crofty1984]

There's a lot of who bought whom, which changed to...
I was wondering what the lineage is.
So
Ferrari have always been Ferrari
McLaren I think have always been McLaren
Mercedes were Braun who were Honda...
Next year Renault will probably be there, having previously been Renault, who were Benneton...
Who's started a team from scratch, who bought in, and when did that happen?

[Smollet]

crofty1984 said:

There's a lot of who bought whom, which changed to...
I was wondering what the lineage is.
So
Ferrari have always been Ferrari
McLaren I think have always been McLaren
Mercedes were Braun who were Honda...
Next year Renault will probably be there, having previously been Renault, who were Benneton...
Who's started a team from scratch, who bought in, and when did that happen?

Honda were BAR who originally were Tyrrell.
Bennetton were Toleman
Williams have always been Williams

Edited by Smollet on Tuesday 27th October 12:27

[glazbagun]

Red Bull Were Jaguar Racing who were Stewart Grand Prix before, who started from nothing, although they were a team in lower formulae before F1.

[Munter]

New teams in recent memory:
BaR (Craig Pollock) became Honda -> Brawn -> McLaren
Stewart became Jaguar -> Red Bull

[glazbagun]

Munter said:

New teams in recent memory:
BaR (Craig Pollock) became Honda -> Brawn -> McLaren

They wish.

[marshalla]

crofty1984 said:

Who's started a team from scratch, who bought in, and when did that happen?

A few to get you started :

Current teams.

Virgin -> Marussia -> receivership -> Manor Marussia
Sauber -> BMW Sauber -> Sauber
Jordan -> Midland -> Spyker -> Force India
Minardi -> Toro Rosso

Defunct teams

Lotus Racing -> Team Lotus (branding acquisition) -> Caterham
Arrows -> Footwork Arrows -> TWR Arrows
Matra -> Ligier -> Prost
Team Lotus -> Pacific Team Lotus ( )
Pacific Racing (not F1) -> Pacific Grand Prix -> Pacific Team Lotus ( ) -> Pacific Racing (out of F1 again)

Defunct teams which never changed name.


Hesketh
Hill

Edited by marshalla on Tuesday 27th October 15:58

[Mr_Yogi]

After watching the film Senna last night, what about Simtek?

[Teppic]

Of the current teams:

Force India = Jordan -> Midland -> Spyker -> Force India
Mercedes = Tyrrell -> British American Racing -> Honda -> Brawn -> Mercedes
Ferrari = Ferrari
Lotus = Toleman -> Benetton -> Renault -> Lotus
Manor = Manor (called Virgin Racing for sponsorship reasons) -> Marussia -> Manor
McLaren = McLaren
Red Bull = Stewart -> Jaguar -> Red Bull
Sauber = Sauber -> BMW Sauber -> Sauber
Toro Rosso = Minardi -> Toro Rosso
Williams = Williams

[Munter]

glazbagun said:

Munter said:

New teams in recent memory:
BaR (Craig Pollock) became Honda -> Brawn -> McLaren

They wish.

Oops. I keep getting Merc and McLaren wrong. Shared history, both silver. Doh!

[ralphrj]

crofty1984 said:

There's a lot of who bought whom, which changed to...
I was wondering what the lineage is.
So
Ferrari have always been Ferrari
McLaren I think have always been McLaren
Mercedes were Braun who were Honda...
Next year Renault will probably be there, having previously been Renault, who were Benneton...
Who's started a team from scratch, who bought in, and when did that happen?

This will depend on how pedantic you want to get.

Mercedes were Brawn were Honda were BAR but the company was originally Tyrrell (the Mercedes F1 team of today is the same legal entity as the Tyrrell F1 team of the 1960s-90s).

Lotus were Renault were Benetton which acquired the Toleman team in 1985.

Today's McLaren team was the result of a merger of Ron Dennis's Project Four F2 team and the old McLaren racing team originally started by Bruce McLaren. The current racing team is a separate legal entity to the old racing team which is owned by McLaren Technology Group but is now the merchandising arm of McLaren. Ron Dennis recently incorporated a couple of new companies so maybe the McLaren F1 entry is going to change ownership again - who knows?

[Eric Mc]

crofty1984 said:

There's a lot of who bought whom, which changed to...
I was wondering what the lineage is.
So
Ferrari have always been Ferrari
McLaren I think have always been McLaren
Mercedes were Braun who were Honda...
Next year Renault will probably be there, having previously been Renault, who were Benneton...
Who's started a team from scratch, who bought in, and when did that happen?

Farrari stopped being pure Ferrari when they were taken over by FIAT in the late 1960s.
Ferrari used to be Alfa Romeo. i.e. Scuderia Ferrari started life as the team that prepared and raced the works Grand Prix Alfa Romeos.

McLaren more or less went bust in 1980 but were taken over by a company run by Ron Denis called Project 4 racing. That is why since that time McLarens always carry an MP4/.. type designation.

[v8250]

ralphrj said:

Lotus were Renault were Benetton which acquired the Toleman team in 1985.

Every time I hear/think of Toleman reminds me of the 1984 Monaco GP and the highly biased relationship between Prost and Balestre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxYX2RZ4Ei8

[Smollet]

v8250 said:

Every time I hear/think of Toleman reminds me of the 1984 Monaco GP and the highly biased relationship between Prost and Balestre

Whenever I think of Toleman an image of Derek Warwick driving one of their F2 cars around Wimbledon stock car track comes to mind.

[MyVTECGoesBwaaah]

Rather large image (Linked rather than embedded!), but makes for some interesting browsing.

http://i.imgur.com/oo1xgIL.png

Credit to the original author from here: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/2j5uf3/...

[themanalive]

Interesting that the first British triple F1 Champion won his championships in a Tyrrell which eventually became Mercedes in which Lewis just won his third. Technically they are teammates!!

[anonymous-user]

Another bit of trivia. This years post 78 FIA Masters historic F1 champion was driving a Tyrrell 011, the 2nd driver in the championship was driving a Tyrrell 010. So if Nico pulls his finger out you could have a 1-2 in both the historic and modern F1 FIA championships for cars with Tyrrell lineage.

[Eric Mc]

I can imagine old Ken chuckling away to himself - wherever he is.

[crofty1984]

Eric Mc said:

McLaren more or less went bust in 1980 but were taken over by a company run by Ron Denis called Project 4 racing. That is why since that time McLarens always carry an MP4/.. type designation.

I did not know that.

[ukaskew]

Gaz. said:

It makes you wonder why people run around like headless chickens that RB might pull out of F1.

Has it ever been so challenging to start an F1 team, though, even with an existing factory in place that you could potentially buy? Even purchasing a powertrain seems to be a major stumbling block at the moment.

Without an off the shelf Cosworth or equivalent being available any potential team is at the mercy of one of the manufacturers and all the politics that entails.

[Eric Mc]

It's been like this for decades. As far as I know, the last time a "brand new" team actually started an F1 race was in 1991 with Jordan.