Susie Wolff retires from driving
Discussion
rohrl said:
Roo said:
And there's the weird accent.
What is up with her accent?She's the Steve McClaren of motorsport.
amare32 said:
Why do TG need a Stig like character? Just bring in Chris Harris - job jobbed.
Yeah, because saying "it's a whole new thing" on auto-repeat and laying endless trails of rubber doing yet another powerslide is in no way formulaic.......The point of Top Gear is to attract an audience. Chris Harris would attract probably 3971 hard-core fan-boys, and everyone else would switch off.
Edited by longblackcoat on Thursday 5th November 16:40
budgie smuggler said:
Leithen said:
PH really can be nasty old place some times.
Best of luck to her - if testing restrictions hadn't been so ridiculous we'd have had a much better idea of her pace. But regardless, she followed her dreams and I for one can't criticise her for that.
Agreed on all counts.Best of luck to her - if testing restrictions hadn't been so ridiculous we'd have had a much better idea of her pace. But regardless, she followed her dreams and I for one can't criticise her for that.
You can have respect for what she has managed to achieve without necessarily having a whole lot of respect for the process by which it was facilitated.
I think Will Buxton nailed it personally, you can't claim that equality is the goal whilst at the same time championing the process by which someone who - had she been male - would never have got near an F1 car based on the metrics that male drivers (and indeed every driver) should be judged by - their racing pedigree. Anyone claiming that she ended up driving an F1 car in a competitive practice session on merit is either deluded or trolling.
It's not legitimate to say that because women already face inequality then that makes it ok for corners to be cut, or for people to get a bye into an F1 car based on nothing else but gender. To do so undermines ones entire position on equality.
I think Will Buxton nailed it personally, you can't claim that equality is the goal whilst at the same time championing the process by which someone who - had she been male - would never have got near an F1 car based on the metrics that male drivers (and indeed every driver) should be judged by - their racing pedigree. Anyone claiming that she ended up driving an F1 car in a competitive practice session on merit is either deluded or trolling.
It's not legitimate to say that because women already face inequality then that makes it ok for corners to be cut, or for people to get a bye into an F1 car based on nothing else but gender. To do so undermines ones entire position on equality.
Durzel said:
You can have respect for what she has managed to achieve without necessarily having a whole lot of respect for the process by which it was facilitated.
I think Will Buxton nailed it personally, you can't claim that equality is the goal whilst at the same time championing the process by which someone who - had she been male - would never have got near an F1 car based on the metrics that male drivers (and indeed every driver) should be judged by - their racing pedigree. Anyone claiming that she ended up driving an F1 car in a competitive practice session on merit is either deluded or trolling.
It's not legitimate to say that because women already face inequality then that makes it ok for corners to be cut, or for people to get a bye into an F1 car based on nothing else but gender. To do so undermines ones entire position on equality.
I think Will Buxton nailed it personally, you can't claim that equality is the goal whilst at the same time championing the process by which someone who - had she been male - would never have got near an F1 car based on the metrics that male drivers (and indeed every driver) should be judged by - their racing pedigree. Anyone claiming that she ended up driving an F1 car in a competitive practice session on merit is either deluded or trolling.
It's not legitimate to say that because women already face inequality then that makes it ok for corners to be cut, or for people to get a bye into an F1 car based on nothing else but gender. To do so undermines ones entire position on equality.
+1
Though I can't understand how one can have respect for someone's achievements when, in truth, there aren't any.
paulwirral said:
budgie smuggler said:
Leithen said:
PH really can be nasty old place some times.
Best of luck to her - if testing restrictions hadn't been so ridiculous we'd have had a much better idea of her pace. But regardless, she followed her dreams and I for one can't criticise her for that.
Agreed on all counts.Best of luck to her - if testing restrictions hadn't been so ridiculous we'd have had a much better idea of her pace. But regardless, she followed her dreams and I for one can't criticise her for that.
I don't grudge her anything. She lived her dream for a bit. Great. Would I love to do the same? Yes. Can I drive half as well as MS Wolff? No.
She tested within half a second of Massa. Any of the bigshots on here done that? Thought not.
Christ, small mindedness has really taken over.
REALIST123 said:
+1
Though I can't understand how one can have respect for someone's achievements when, in truth, there aren't any.
As it is, right now, it feels hollow simply because her getting to drive the car undermines the achievements of those many female drivers who - to put it bluntly - are far more capable than she is or ever was. Had she not been married to Toto Wolff she would be among them, that's the brutal reality of it and attempting to sugarcoat it any other way - particularly by Susie herself, in proclaiming that the sport "isn't ready for a female F1 driver", is incredible really.
Let's be realistic (and cynical) here - if there were a female driver with the ability of Hamilton/access to sponsorship there would certainly be significantly increased interest from the point of view of advertisers, not only due to the fact that she would be an exception, but also because naturally she would feature more on television coverage, interviews, etc. That would happen right now, so to suggest that there is some kind of glass ceiling stopping Susie from competing in F1 is ridiculous. She just isn't good enough, and there's too much money being spent and at stake in F1 to overcome basic inability to be competitive.
EDIT: Suggesting that anyone who has a negative view on this is bigoted is, as is often the case, a narrow minded point of view. It isn't necessarily the case that anyone who thinks that people should be judged solely on merit in the bleeding edge of motorsports, and finding her falling far short, is automatically bigoted.
Edited by Durzel on Thursday 5th November 19:02
Just sleep with the right person Jas. 
There's a lot of damning by faint praise at the moment. I think the above linked article has it about right though - if she makes the route even a little easier for another female driver with more pace, she'll have made a huge contribution to the sport, bigger than those of her fellow also-rans (or should that be didn't-rans).
There's a lot of damning by faint praise at the moment. I think the above linked article has it about right though - if she makes the route even a little easier for another female driver with more pace, she'll have made a huge contribution to the sport, bigger than those of her fellow also-rans (or should that be didn't-rans).
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