Hamilton disses Schumacher
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Bo_apex said:
Let's see when the same question is popped, about whether LH thinks he's won in a similar manner to Senna.
The racing was much more exciting in Senna's day - too many rules now.
Ohhhh I see you are still on the changing the subject stageThe racing was much more exciting in Senna's day - too many rules now.
And I suspect his answer would be no....he has won his championships in his own way, just like every other driver, you can't really compare them!
37chevy said:
Ohhhh I see you are still on the changing the subject stage
And I suspect his answer would be no....he has won his championships in his own way, just like every other driver, you can't really compare them!
Didn't change the subject, it's called FLOW. Every word, action and character trait affects and evolves.And I suspect his answer would be no....he has won his championships in his own way, just like every other driver, you can't really compare them!
My original OP stands, and plenty of opinions on LH have been aired here, which is healthy
Who knows, if your Mr. Angry impression continues this thread could flow into Youth Hostels with Chris Eubank
Bo_apex said:
Didn't change the subject, it's called FLOW. Every word, action and character trait affects and evolves.
My original OP stands, and plenty of opinions on LH have been aired here, which is healthy
Who knows, if your Mr. Angry impression continues this thread could flow into Youth Hostels with Chris Eubank
Lmao! Trust me I'm not mr angry, It's been fun!My original OP stands, and plenty of opinions on LH have been aired here, which is healthy
Who knows, if your Mr. Angry impression continues this thread could flow into Youth Hostels with Chris Eubank
And if you still think you're OP is still correct then you need you're head looking at! Either your stubborn, stupid or just dislike Hamilton and will come up with every reason under the sun to justify yourself, without looking at the facts in full.....
37chevy said:
Lmao! Trust me I'm not mr angry, It's been fun!
And if you still think you're OP is still correct then you need you're head looking at! Either your stubborn, stupid or just dislike Hamilton and will come up with every reason under the sun to justify yourself, without looking at the facts in full.....
Lots of opinions, all welcome And if you still think you're OP is still correct then you need you're head looking at! Either your stubborn, stupid or just dislike Hamilton and will come up with every reason under the sun to justify yourself, without looking at the facts in full.....
Still seems a silly thing to say, and somewhat disrespectful IMHO.Next week: Why has Raikonnen gone teetotal ?
London424 said:
On a complete tangent I was skipping through the TV channels last night and they had the Catalunya GP from 1991 on.
From watching it it's amazing how the legends of drivers are talked about today compared to going back and watching a race from that time.
Now it was only a highlight show but just watching Senna in that race you'd have thought he was a pay driver.
He waved past his teammate (for seemingly no reason)
Dropped it on a corner almost wiping out (looked like it could have been a deliberate attempt) Mansell, who was his closest rival in the title race.
Hardly bothered defending any overtake attempt
Oh and on another note, pitstops were embarassing compared to what we see now.
ETA: Found it on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5xLiQJdmck
Cant remember what year it was now, but when Senna was still at McLaren he was having a right mare of a race at Interlagos in front of his home crowd. Think he was languishing in midfield. He got so fed up he decided not to even finish the race. Came into the pits and parked it.From watching it it's amazing how the legends of drivers are talked about today compared to going back and watching a race from that time.
Now it was only a highlight show but just watching Senna in that race you'd have thought he was a pay driver.
He waved past his teammate (for seemingly no reason)
Dropped it on a corner almost wiping out (looked like it could have been a deliberate attempt) Mansell, who was his closest rival in the title race.
Hardly bothered defending any overtake attempt
Oh and on another note, pitstops were embarassing compared to what we see now.
ETA: Found it on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5xLiQJdmck
Imagine if that happened today, and thats one Senna story I bet doesnt get repeated much.
EagleMoto4-2 said:
Cant remember what year it was now, but when Senna was still at McLaren he was having a right mare of a race at Interlagos in front of his home crowd. Think he was languishing in midfield. He got so fed up he decided not to even finish the race. Came into the pits and parked it.
Imagine if that happened today, and thats one Senna story I bet doesnt get repeated much.
The pendulum of mainstream opinion really seems to have swung quite far from "flawed but brilliant" to some kind of ultimate driver recently. Probably some kind of confirmation bias as only the best stories tendcto get retold. I wonder if in twenty years Schumacher will be remembered as a saint who just wanted to win a lot.Imagine if that happened today, and thats one Senna story I bet doesnt get repeated much.
glazbagun said:
EagleMoto4-2 said:
Cant remember what year it was now, but when Senna was still at McLaren he was having a right mare of a race at Interlagos in front of his home crowd. Think he was languishing in midfield. He got so fed up he decided not to even finish the race. Came into the pits and parked it.
Imagine if that happened today, and thats one Senna story I bet doesnt get repeated much.
The pendulum of mainstream opinion really seems to have swung quite far from "flawed but brilliant" to some kind of ultimate driver recently. Probably some kind of confirmation bias as only the best stories tendcto get retold. I wonder if in twenty years Schumacher will be remembered as a saint who just wanted to win a lot.Imagine if that happened today, and thats one Senna story I bet doesnt get repeated much.
If he was a racing god, he was a very flawed one. Far more of an instinctive racer than Prost or Schumacher, but less of a planner than either, he deserves his plaudits, but for anyone to suggest that he's beyond criticism is simply to ignore reality.
longblackcoat said:
I saw all of Senna's career, from first arrival to the last day at Imola; he was certainly brilliant at times, but like all racing drivers he could make the silliest of mistakes, throw a tantrum, or let the red mist descend. Worse, he had days where he was plain ordinary, and if you didn't know it was Senna you'd have thought it was Ralf Schumacher behind the wheel.
the Monaco '84 race which put him on the map, if you look back at the race, he loses control into the chicane after the tunnel and only just misses hitting the wall.Everyone refers back to that race, but in reality it could have been so different for him
all drivers need a little luck
Europa1 said:
Sorry, how was lying to the stewards in Australia a few years back not cheating?
I forget the precise details, but did he lie to the stewards? My recollection is that he was (after being perfectly right in his reading of the rules when on track, as the team had got it all wrong) perfectly open and honest with what happened before going into the meeting, in the meeting Dave Ryan told the porkies, the stewards knew something was up because IIRC Quote: "It was the first time I saw a black guy turn bright red", McLaren then turned the whole think into a complete fiasco as only McLaren could, and Dave Ryan was sacked.I'll be surprised if Hamilton told one story to reporters and then a completely different one to stewards minutes later.
heebeegeetee said:
Europa1 said:
Sorry, how was lying to the stewards in Australia a few years back not cheating?
I forget the precise details, but did he lie to the stewards? My recollection is that he was (after being perfectly right in his reading of the rules when on track, as the team had got it all wrong) perfectly open and honest with what happened before going into the meeting, in the meeting Dave Ryan told the porkies, the stewards knew something was up because IIRC Quote: "It was the first time I saw a black guy turn bright red", McLaren then turned the whole think into a complete fiasco as only McLaren could, and Dave Ryan was sacked.I'll be surprised if Hamilton told one story to reporters and then a completely different one to stewards minutes later.
"Lewis Hamilton and McLaren have been stripped of their podium finish and all points at the Australian Grand Prix.
The sport's world governing body, the FIA, said they were excluded "for providing evidence deliberately misleading to the stewards".
A post-race hearing promoted Hamilton from fourth to third after Jarno Trulli was penalised for passing Hamilton while the safety car was out.
Trulli and Toyota have been reinstated to third, and McLaren will not appeal.
Hamilton was summoned by stewards on Thursday, ahead of this weekend's Malaysian GP, to discuss what the FIA described as "a new element" of evidence.
That "new element" included radio exchanges between Hamilton and his team as well as a post-race interview given by the world champion.
"The stewards, having learned about the radio exchanges and the media interview, felt strongly that they had been misled by the driver and his team manager," said an FIA statement."
The other thing to remember about the McLaren incident in Australia is that the outcome was another part of the plan by Mosley to get Dennis out of F1. I can't remember why a man who had failed as a team manager and had to accept handouts from various parties whilst undertaking an unpaid role would possibly have any reason to knock someone who had created the second most successful team of all time and had a very good income from it, but there was something that caused the problem.
REALIST123 said:
He was convicted and disqualifed for cheating, whichever way you try to paint it..........
"Lewis Hamilton and McLaren have been stripped of their podium finish and all points at the Australian Grand Prix.
The sport's world governing body, the FIA, said they were excluded "for providing evidence deliberately misleading to the stewards".
A post-race hearing promoted Hamilton from fourth to third after Jarno Trulli was penalised for passing Hamilton while the safety car was out.
Trulli and Toyota have been reinstated to third, and McLaren will not appeal.
Hamilton was summoned by stewards on Thursday, ahead of this weekend's Malaysian GP, to discuss what the FIA described as "a new element" of evidence.
That "new element" included radio exchanges between Hamilton and his team as well as a post-race interview given by the world champion.
"The stewards, having learned about the radio exchanges and the media interview, felt strongly that they had been misled by the driver and his team manager," said an FIA statement."
& lets paint it some more..."Lewis Hamilton and McLaren have been stripped of their podium finish and all points at the Australian Grand Prix.
The sport's world governing body, the FIA, said they were excluded "for providing evidence deliberately misleading to the stewards".
A post-race hearing promoted Hamilton from fourth to third after Jarno Trulli was penalised for passing Hamilton while the safety car was out.
Trulli and Toyota have been reinstated to third, and McLaren will not appeal.
Hamilton was summoned by stewards on Thursday, ahead of this weekend's Malaysian GP, to discuss what the FIA described as "a new element" of evidence.
That "new element" included radio exchanges between Hamilton and his team as well as a post-race interview given by the world champion.
"The stewards, having learned about the radio exchanges and the media interview, felt strongly that they had been misled by the driver and his team manager," said an FIA statement."
Hamilton has gone on record with his side- that he was told to lie ...If Dave Ryan has/had an issue with it, he should comment/sue
It was also under Martin Whitmarsh's watch, generally regarded as a pretty fair & decent bloke ...can you really see him sacking someone as a scape goat?
Hamilton is far from whiter than white ...but pinning the whole of the '09 debacle at his feet is a bit much
Megaflow said:
Bo_apex said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Schumacher was a cheating knob head. Hamilton isn't, end of story for me.
The FIA took no action, the contact with Hill was a racing incident 
& lets not forget, that Michael also has multiple 'incidents' on his rap sheet
Edited by angrymoby on Wednesday 11th November 10:06
REALIST123 said:
heebeegeetee said:
Europa1 said:
Sorry, how was lying to the stewards in Australia a few years back not cheating?
I forget the precise details, but did he lie to the stewards? My recollection is that he was (after being perfectly right in his reading of the rules when on track, as the team had got it all wrong) perfectly open and honest with what happened before going into the meeting, in the meeting Dave Ryan told the porkies, the stewards knew something was up because IIRC Quote: "It was the first time I saw a black guy turn bright red", McLaren then turned the whole think into a complete fiasco as only McLaren could, and Dave Ryan was sacked.I'll be surprised if Hamilton told one story to reporters and then a completely different one to stewards minutes later.
"Lewis Hamilton and McLaren have been stripped of their podium finish and all points at the Australian Grand Prix.
The sport's world governing body, the FIA, said they were excluded "for providing evidence deliberately misleading to the stewards".
A post-race hearing promoted Hamilton from fourth to third after Jarno Trulli was penalised for passing Hamilton while the safety car was out.
Trulli and Toyota have been reinstated to third, and McLaren will not appeal.
Hamilton was summoned by stewards on Thursday, ahead of this weekend's Malaysian GP, to discuss what the FIA described as "a new element" of evidence.
That "new element" included radio exchanges between Hamilton and his team as well as a post-race interview given by the world champion.
"The stewards, having learned about the radio exchanges and the media interview, felt strongly that they had been misled by the driver and his team manager," said an FIA statement."
It also does seem to me that anyone who has worked for McL over the past decade or so have really not come out of it well. What a f
king messed up team that was and possibly still is.I think the only other mystery from that period is why anyone was mystified about Hamilton wanting to get out of there.
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