Hamilton's dalliance with 'pop culture'. Good or bad?
Discussion
mybrainhurts said:
C70R said:
What is it that annoys people so much about it?
Bad taste. It's like having to look at graffiti as you drive through a beautiful place. Talented drivers have thus far been above such crap and not tainted by the mental narcissistic malady of submission to the demands of fashion.
It's time the lad stopped fannying around like a tart and came to his senses.
(I'm being Devil's Advocate, of course)
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 2nd December 14:01
C70R said:
Strange assessment. Incredibly subjective, and yet you base the majority of opinion about the guy on this judgement. I'd love to see an example of what you mean.
No need for an example because all you'll get is a photo of him at an event, and most people don't look natural when their photo is being taken which can lead to a bit of awkwardness. It doesn't mean he isn't enjoying himself (doesn't mean he is either), nor does it mean he's feeling awkward, he's just 'posing' for a photo. He gets too much grief for this imo. He hasn't only just started living this lifestyle and that aligning with Rosberg's winning streak, it's been constant throughout this season and he's just won his 3rd WDC! So he can't be being criticised for its impact on his driving, so it must be because people don't like his lifestyle choices.
Personally if I was LH I'd be living the high life as well, maybe a bit less rap music but I'd certainly be surrounding myself with popstars and models!!
He's already in the public eye and therefore has laid himself open to criticism about some part of his life, why not give people something interesting to get stuck into
C70R said:
Munter said:
What does Lewis Hamilton do outside the car?
Well I can't avoid that, he's a prestitute and doing a great job of it. As such I'll judge him on what he pushes in front of the press/me when he's out of the car.
This is a bit odd, for me. How do you find it "unavoidable"? Surely if you avoid the gutter press and don't follow him on social media, it would be easy to avoid the majority.Well I can't avoid that, he's a prestitute and doing a great job of it. As such I'll judge him on what he pushes in front of the press/me when he's out of the car.
I rather like my sportsmen to have a personality, and the current F1 grid is a dearth of such characters. Shouldn't we applaud someone for breaking the mould a little?
Anyway is PH the gutter press now (In recent years the twit quota has gone up but is it really that bad)? Should I avoid reading the PH F1 threads in case someone puts up a picture/news story/someone discusses Lewis's latest failed attempt to be "cool"? Or is it just part of following F1 and we live with it.
I've no problem with him having a personality. That's fine. And he makes a big thing out of his "personality", totally allowed and happy to let him. The problem is his personality stinks. It's a "celebrity culture" personality. It's like he's desperate to be famous despite being an F1 champ. Which is also fine. But why do people have a problem when it's pointed out that that sort of "personality" that seeks fame for fame's sake (over any actual achievement, despite having plenty) represents a lot of what's wrong with modern society?
Munter said:
C70R said:
Munter said:
What does Lewis Hamilton do outside the car?
Well I can't avoid that, he's a prestitute and doing a great job of it. As such I'll judge him on what he pushes in front of the press/me when he's out of the car.
This is a bit odd, for me. How do you find it "unavoidable"? Surely if you avoid the gutter press and don't follow him on social media, it would be easy to avoid the majority.Well I can't avoid that, he's a prestitute and doing a great job of it. As such I'll judge him on what he pushes in front of the press/me when he's out of the car.
I rather like my sportsmen to have a personality, and the current F1 grid is a dearth of such characters. Shouldn't we applaud someone for breaking the mould a little?
Anyway is PH the gutter press now (In recent years the twit quota has gone up but is it really that bad)? Should I avoid reading the PH F1 threads in case someone puts up a picture/news story/someone discusses Lewis's latest failed attempt to be "cool"? Or is it just part of following F1 and we live with it.
I've no problem with him having a personality. That's fine. And he makes a big thing out of his "personality", totally allowed and happy to let him. The problem is his personality stinks. It's a "celebrity culture" personality. It's like he's desperate to be famous despite being an F1 champ. Which is also fine. But why do people have a problem when it's pointed out that that sort of "personality" that seeks fame for fame's sake (over any actual achievement, despite having plenty) represents a lot of what's wrong with modern society?
You sound like you're cross about something other than Lewis Hamilton, and he just happens to be an object of your ire. It's hardly like he's prostituted himself out to Reality TV shows and Loose Women, for crying out loud. He's just fraternising with a bunch of other famous people and over-indulging in social media. Not exactly crime of the century.
The fact that you feel that you "can't avoid it" on PH is exactly what I'm trying to discuss. People here seem very keen to bring it up, with the objective of using it to knock one of the most successful F1 drivers ever. It just seems a bit sad, really.
C70R said:
You sound like you're cross about something other than Lewis Hamilton
Not cross. Disappointed in people like you, bringing up this trash on PH in the F1 topic area.I had thought you might get that hint...
Take it to General Gassing with all the other junk topics about what hair style is best for driving and how to check a tyre for "coolness".
Munter said:
C70R said:
You sound like you're cross about something other than Lewis Hamilton
Not cross. Disappointed in people like you, bringing up this trash on PH in the F1 topic area.I had thought you might get that hint...
Take it to General Gassing with all the other junk topics about what hair style is best for driving and how to check a tyre for "coolness".
Perhaps best if you avoid the topic, and leave it to the rest of us.
Munter said:
C70R said:
Munter said:
What does Lewis Hamilton do outside the car?
Well I can't avoid that, he's a prestitute and doing a great job of it. As such I'll judge him on what he pushes in front of the press/me when he's out of the car.
This is a bit odd, for me. How do you find it "unavoidable"? Surely if you avoid the gutter press and don't follow him on social media, it would be easy to avoid the majority.Well I can't avoid that, he's a prestitute and doing a great job of it. As such I'll judge him on what he pushes in front of the press/me when he's out of the car.
I rather like my sportsmen to have a personality, and the current F1 grid is a dearth of such characters. Shouldn't we applaud someone for breaking the mould a little?
Anyway is PH the gutter press now (In recent years the twit quota has gone up but is it really that bad)? Should I avoid reading the PH F1 threads in case someone puts up a picture/news story/someone discusses Lewis's latest failed attempt to be "cool"? Or is it just part of following F1 and we live with it.
I've no problem with him having a personality. That's fine. And he makes a big thing out of his "personality", totally allowed and happy to let him. The problem is his personality stinks. It's a "celebrity culture" personality. It's like he's desperate to be famous despite being an F1 champ. Which is also fine. But why do people have a problem when it's pointed out that that sort of "personality" that seeks fame for fame's sake (over any actual achievement, despite having plenty) represents a lot of what's wrong with modern society?
He's not just going to walk into a local pub and start chatting as he would get hassled left, right, and centre.
At least with other famous people he doesn't have to question if they are after him/his money, they've got their own and have to live similar lives.
C70R said:
You sound like a sad, angry man. I'm very sorry.
Perhaps best if you avoid the topic, and leave it to the rest of us.
Sad would be people who think Hamilton's "out of car" activities have anything to do with F1, enough to require a topic all of it's own.Perhaps best if you avoid the topic, and leave it to the rest of us.
Out of the car the guys a knob and that's fine, but has nothing to do with F1.
In the car, he's a brilliant driver, and this years World Champ. That has everything to do with F1 and would be a worthy part of a topic in the F1 area.
If you can't see how starting a thread not even discussing Hamilton's "private" life, but discussing how people discuss Hamilton's private life, is not part of the very problem in Hamilton's private life. That's sad.
He's delivering at work, so what he does and how much of it outside of it appears to be irrelevant.
It's only in your face if you choose not to avoid following all of it. I dare say if Hunt was around now, and interested in the same genres as Hamilton, the coverage would be identical.
That being said - personally speaking - I'm a fan of understated lifestyles, e.g. Button, Vettel, others rather than those that live their lives like an open wound in the media. But *shrug*, it's no one's business really what he does.
It's only in your face if you choose not to avoid following all of it. I dare say if Hunt was around now, and interested in the same genres as Hamilton, the coverage would be identical.
That being said - personally speaking - I'm a fan of understated lifestyles, e.g. Button, Vettel, others rather than those that live their lives like an open wound in the media. But *shrug*, it's no one's business really what he does.
Edited by Durzel on Wednesday 2nd December 14:38
David Couthard's view:
His lifestyle is not for me- but then Alex Wurtz used to wear knitted jumpers, drive a diesel Laguna estate and listen to Phil Collins, and that's not for me either. As long as he's winning races and championships then where's the harm?
Coulthard said:
Hamilton tends to go off to the Colorado mountains for winter to rest, recuperate, train and prepare for the following season. But let's keep an eye on social media to see whether he pops up in other, more starry, places as well - as is his right and wont.
The lure of the other life he has - the one revolving around celebrity, fashion and music - is so addictive that it is very difficult for him to just walk the dog and cross-country ski and go to the gym.
Lewis Hamilton's high-profile social life has drawn criticism from some, including his former boss at McLaren, Ron Dennis.
Positive distractions are exactly that. It is not healthy to have only one focus all the time.
Humans are curious characters. Our desire to take on challenges and push boundaries is what created the world we live in today.
Racing drivers are no different. They need distractions. But you can only give 100% to one thing at a time.
It doesn't matter what you do away from the track as long as, when you're at it, you are fully focused and fit. If the two start to cross over, that's when it starts not to work.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/34964622The lure of the other life he has - the one revolving around celebrity, fashion and music - is so addictive that it is very difficult for him to just walk the dog and cross-country ski and go to the gym.
Lewis Hamilton's high-profile social life has drawn criticism from some, including his former boss at McLaren, Ron Dennis.
Positive distractions are exactly that. It is not healthy to have only one focus all the time.
Humans are curious characters. Our desire to take on challenges and push boundaries is what created the world we live in today.
Racing drivers are no different. They need distractions. But you can only give 100% to one thing at a time.
It doesn't matter what you do away from the track as long as, when you're at it, you are fully focused and fit. If the two start to cross over, that's when it starts not to work.
His lifestyle is not for me- but then Alex Wurtz used to wear knitted jumpers, drive a diesel Laguna estate and listen to Phil Collins, and that's not for me either. As long as he's winning races and championships then where's the harm?
Munter said:
If you can't see how starting a thread not even discussing Hamilton's "private" life, but discussing how people discuss Hamilton's private life, is not part of the very problem in Hamilton's private life. That's sad.
It was more the point that it tends to permeate so many threads here, and often detract from real discussion about him, which I find a little unnecessary. I think we're coming at this from the same direction, but you seem infinitely more annoyed.For reference, I'm generally not hugely swayed by drivers' personalities. I respect Hamilton enormously as a driver, but he's some way down the line behind Ricciardo and Button (among others) in my preferences for 'favourites'.
Reest assured I, like most others on this thread would not be partying with beautiful women in beautful parts of the world if I was young, single, famous multi millionaire who happens to be the best in the world at his chosen profession right now.
Remember there are only two things a man will never admit he is bad at. The first is making love. He is 3x WDC at the other
Remember there are only two things a man will never admit he is bad at. The first is making love. He is 3x WDC at the other
ph1l5 said:
I'm not a Lewis fan. But if I was in his position I would be doing exactly the same (although maybe not with Nicole s
tshernickers) 
Exactly.tshernickers) The guy has countless millions at his disposal, a private jet, several homes, and chooses to mix with music celebs, who wouldn't in his situation? I'm damn sure I would.
Good or bad? Well, I think it generates publicity - that is good... It increases his "stock" with marketers etc..
Let's face it, spending time with other rich and famous people is hardly murdering tramps for kicks is it? It is perfectly harmless and is the life many would love to have.
And as far as I know he even goes around with a few friends he has had since he was very young, which I think is quite impressive.
Let's face it, spending time with other rich and famous people is hardly murdering tramps for kicks is it? It is perfectly harmless and is the life many would love to have.
And as far as I know he even goes around with a few friends he has had since he was very young, which I think is quite impressive.
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