Mercedes to sue former employer

[Doink]

Scuffers said:

mycool said:

Is a possible reason for the lawsuit that it is a way of getting it in the public domain and therefore almost embarrassing/ daring Ferrari to use the data, if they have it? Is it also a way of clearly notifying the FIA of what has happened?

more likely they want the data destroyed and any copies made too.

A court order is a pretty good way to enforce this.

As for the FIA, I can pretty much garrentee that Ferrari will not be be subject to the kind of witch hunt McLaren were subjected to, and I bet they already have seen said data.

Maybe they have, it might be an idea now to subject Ferrari to the same sort of examinations McLaren were subjected to to see that nothing looks to have been copied, if and it's a if they've been found to have used any of the data then surely an exclusion from the 2015 results should follow along with a hefty fine, why wait till 16, they could be using it right now?

[andyps]

Doink said:

Maybe they have, it might be an idea now to subject Ferrari to the same sort of examinations McLaren were subjected to to see that nothing looks to have been copied, if and it's a if they've been found to have used any of the data then surely an exclusion from the 2015 results should follow along with a hefty fine, why wait till 16, they could be using it right now?

That may be what Mercedes are really aiming for, to establish if they actually have the data or to ensure they don't get it later.

[Derek Smith]

Bowler said:

If something has been taken without permission, that's theft. Why isn't it subject to a criminal investigation?

Methinks someone's playing games here...

It is not theft. There are a couple of reasons at least why it would not run.

[btcc123]

suffolk009 said:

Teppic said:

andyps said:

On past experience that means the FIA should step in and fine Ferrari $100m

If Max was still president of the FIA it would probably be McLaren somehow getting the fine again...

Good one.

I thought it was Max that wanted to fine McLaren $10 million and was Bernie who suggested $100 million and Max nearly fell off his chair.

[andyps]

btcc123 said:

I thought it was Max that wanted to fine McLaren $10 million and was Bernie who suggested $100 million and Max nearly fell off his chair.

Max wanted to throw them out of the championship and ban them for a year or two (basically to destroy all that Ron Dennis had created) but Bernie pointed out to him that it would put around 1000 people out of work if he did so a fine would be better.

[Leroy902]

Mclaren WERE guilty of what they got accused of, people seem to conveniently forget that, they deserved all they got.

looking at Mclarens performances the season before spygate, and the following seasons, they blatantly benefited from it DRAMATICALLY .
They probably deserved to be kicked out for being cheats, but were probably allowed to stay for the sake of the thousands of employees that would suffer.

If ferrari have cheated like Mclaren did, they also deserve a huge fine, but I have a feeling it's a very different scenario, and there was no wrong doing on their part, but the part of 1 future employee looking to impress at his next job.

Edited by Leroy902 on Saturday 12th December 17:40

[Scuffers]

Leroy902 said:

Mclaren WERE guilty of what they got accused of, people seem to conveniently forget that, they deserved all they got.

looking at Mclarens performances the season before spygate, and the following seasons, they blatantly benefited from it DRAMATICALLY .
They probably deserved to be kicked out for being cheats, but were probably allowed to stay for the sake of the thousands of employees that would suffer.

If ferrari have cheated like Mclaren did, they also deserve a huge fine, but I have a feeling it's a very different scenario, and there was no wrong doing on their part, but the part of 1 future employee looking to impress at his next job.

Edited by Leroy902 on Saturday 12th December 17:40

Really?

At the time after extensive investigations, no data was found on any mclaren computers, all they had was talk about using different gas in the tyres.

[andyps]

Leroy902 said:

Mclaren WERE guilty of what they got accused of, people seem to conveniently forget that, they deserved all they got.

looking at Mclarens performances the season before spygate, and the following seasons, they blatantly benefited from it DRAMATICALLY .
They probably deserved to be kicked out for being cheats, but were probably allowed to stay for the sake of the thousands of employees that would suffer.

If ferrari have cheated like Mclaren did, they also deserve a huge fine, but I have a feeling it's a very different scenario, and there was no wrong doing on their part, but the part of 1 future employee looking to impress at his next job.

Edited by Leroy902 on Saturday 12th December 17:40

If you think putting nitrogen in the tyres was a DRAMATIC benefit then please explain the MASSIVE difference it would make. That is the only thing they were found to have maybe tried based on all the evidence given by Ferrari and found by they FIA computer forensic team. Are you Jean Todt or Max Mosley by any chance?

[Derek Smith]

Leroy902 said:

Mclaren WERE guilty of what they got accused of,

Didn't Molsey admit that Dennis had no idea what had gone on? The FIA's own report showed only minor matters that could have been a result of the information, but there was no proof that it did. As reported, the matters were minor and unlikely to improve performance and there was no systematic use of any of the information.

The only thing that was proved was that Alonso, dl Rosa and Coughlan cheated. There was much supposition.