F1 on Channel 4
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IforB said:
London424 said:
r11co said:
Norfolkit said:
Having heard Martin give a talk at the campsite in Spa for the last 2 years I can assure you he's neither bored nor cynical about F1 or Sky, he was even asked a straight question "would he ever go back to FTA", his straight answer was no.
Well, he would say that, wouldn't he. 
It is a bit naive to think that he would answer anything other than something that would appease his current medium-term employer.
If at some point in the future (say, 2025) a FTA broadcaster who had just secured exclusive rights came a-knocking do you think he would reject a job offer out of principle or because he remembered something he said to a fan nine years previously?
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 16th May 13:39
Anyone willing to pay 8 times as much as anyone else in the market to win a contract needs to have their head read.
If it is true that Sky are paying £200M a year for TV rights to the UK, then Eccelstone absolutely humped them. Dry. And in a sandy climate...
Take 25m from BBC with more viewers. Or take 200m (or a silly number up that way) from SKY with fewer viewers.
Liberty don't get paid by viewers.
Norfolkit said:
You're presenting your opinion as a fact. I subscribe to Sky F1 and I don't have any problem with any of the presenters, some I like more than others but that's just human nature.
Not even when they are incapable of drawing basic valid conclusions, like e.g. during Australian GP pit stop situation when they were clueless as to what happened (unlike the C4 team)? That's a fact.I cringe whenever I have to watch Sky coverage as it seems and sounds more amateurish than C4. That's an opinion.
Desert Dragon said:
Not at all. I find the Sky approach to be mainly drivel apart from Brundle, Davidson and Hill (who is still a bit awkward but speaks authoritatively). Watching both there is quite a contrast to CH4thegreenhell said:
Surely he'll be close to retirement age by the time the current Sky contract expires. With the health issues he's been having he may decide he's had enough of it all by then.
Was not aware he has had health issues. Hope he is OK. He had his moments as a driver and performed well in direct comparison against two of the toughest competitors possible (Senna and Schumacher). Although we get the sense his knowledge of contemporary cars is not equal to the recent experience of Webber (or even Coulthard) he still has a lot to offer to the sport.Norfolkit said:
Sam993 said:
I cringe whenever I have to watch Sky coverage as it seems and sounds more amateurish than C4. That's an opinion.
Fine. don't watch it then, simple solution.Vaud said:
Sam993 said:
Thanks captain obvious. While you're on a roll can you enlighten me please - how else am I supposed to watch races that aren't on C4?
Google "F1 streaming" and watch a "free" stream. Reddit has a list that is updated each race weekend.Vaud said:
These hooky streams are normally Sky streams in English.
I’m not claiming that their use is moral, only that they exist.
So you're suggesting that in order to avoid watching Sky coverage when C4 doesn't do live races I should watch "live streams" which are Sky streams? Am I missing something or?I’m not claiming that their use is moral, only that they exist.
London424 said:
Hence my comments about the challenge for Liberty.
Take 25m from BBC with more viewers. Or take 200m (or a silly number up that way) from SKY with fewer viewers.
Liberty don't get paid by viewers.
I've said this before, but sponsor pay for viewers - Liberty and the F1 teams need the sponsors, and the sponsors want lots of viewers. They may get more from the TV deal, but if the sponsors are not happy with the quantity of viewers, they will take their money elsewhere - McLaren still lack a title sponsor...Take 25m from BBC with more viewers. Or take 200m (or a silly number up that way) from SKY with fewer viewers.
Liberty don't get paid by viewers.
And the UK viewing figures are reflected in other countries where F1 has gone behind a paywall.
Vaud said:
Eric Mc said:
Legal?
I forget. I don’t think anyone has been prosecuted for watching a stream (in the uk) I think they have for creating the stream, but my information is dated and no doubt will be corrected in minutes.London424 said:
Hence my comments about the challenge for Liberty.
Take 25m from BBC with more viewers. Or take 200m (or a silly number up that way) from SKY with fewer viewers.
With less exposure the value will go down. The price paid for F1 TV rights has see-sawed regularly, with the peak reached just before CVC put F1 up for sale (figuratively speaking).Take 25m from BBC with more viewers. Or take 200m (or a silly number up that way) from SKY with fewer viewers.
The figure Sky will be paying is closer to £150m a year, which is a little more than double what they are making now splitting between Sky and Ch4.
Eric Mc said:
It's just that a couple of years ago, when some on PH started suggesting that others could try and find illegal streaming sites for F1, Haymarket were not impressed and had those posts deleted. Has anything changed since then - apart from the fact that the mods seem to be asleep at the wheel these days.
The posting rules say,"Do not post any copyright-protected material without permission - including streaming sports content. If in doubt, don't post it.
Do not post links to sites that supply illegal download material."
I have highlighted the existence of streaming, but no links.
Vaud said:
I have highlighted the existence of streaming, but no links.
Indeed, plus the illegality or otherwise of streaming is still very much uncertain.So far any cases brought have been civil actions against licensed premises broadcasting streams without a commercial subscription. Not one prosecution has been brought against an individual viewing at home. You'd think even one case could be brought as an example to others to stop if the powers that be thought it was possible to prosecute and win.
r11co said:
Vaud said:
I have highlighted the existence of streaming, but no links.
Indeed, plus the illegality or otherwise of streaming is still very much uncertain.So far any cases brought have been civil actions against licensed premises broadcasting streams without a commercial subscription. Not one prosecution has been brought against an individual viewing at home. You'd think even one case could be brought as an example to others to stop if the powers that be thought it was possible to prosecute and win.
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