The Official 2016 Russian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

The Official 2016 Russian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

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Adrian W

13,902 posts

229 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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Ahonen said:
I guess you have water pressure logged in your data system. What do you race?

My experience is from GT2 Porsche 997 RSRs, where a small, gradual pressure loss could be managed by short shifting a little and monitoring the temperatures and coolant pressure. Water pressure was a very important item on the data, largely due to the front-mounted radiators.
Similar set up It was a noble GT car, the motec showed and alarmed pressure and temps,

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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Adrian W said:
Ahonen said:
I guess you have water pressure logged in your data system. What do you race?

My experience is from GT2 Porsche 997 RSRs, where a small, gradual pressure loss could be managed by short shifting a little and monitoring the temperatures and coolant pressure. Water pressure was a very important item on the data, largely due to the front-mounted radiators.
Similar set up It was a noble GT car, the motec showed and alarmed pressure and temps,
Surely the water pressure is there to prevent boiling of the fluid, by raising the boiling point, not to keep the actual temperature down or maintain flow?


rdjohn

6,224 posts

196 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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REALIST123 said:
Surely the water pressure is there to prevent boiling of the fluid, by raising the boiling point, not to keep the actual temperature down or maintain flow?
I think a far more logical answer was that because he had been pressing on so hard he needed to save fuel and low water pressure was this weekend's coded instruction for that to happen.

He has all the information he needs to monitor water pressure on his wheel, yet he still asked his engineer when he could start to push again.

Leaking fluids tend not to re-seal themselvesn

Toto talks a good game. It was interesting that he emphasised Lewis's problem but did not have a clue on Nico's mysteries when pressed in the garage afterwards. It was just another very difficult maximum points finish ,again.

Edited by rdjohn on Sunday 1st May 17:16

glazbagun

14,285 posts

198 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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How fast was Alonso's "turned it up to 11" lap compared to the best of the rest? Rather than fuel saving, does it not mean that the car is not harvesting enough energy to do it every lap?

RichB

51,692 posts

285 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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rdjohn said:
I think a far more logical answer was that because he had been pressing on so hard he needed to save fuel and low water pressure was this weekend's coded instruction for that to happen.
Not likely at all given that they ran 4 or 5 laps under the safety car so he would have had enough fuel to run the remainder of the race at full chat.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

229 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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Have they not watched Wheeler dealers?! They should be going waterless! Haha

But really.. Tedious race,, gave it a go as the last race was pretty good.

vonuber

17,868 posts

166 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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Surely the most likely reason is that they are deliberately sabotaging the 3X WC and highly paid Hamilton as he is not German (or white).

Vaud

50,692 posts

156 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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RichB said:
Not likely at all given that they ran 4 or 5 laps under the safety car so he would have had enough fuel to run the remainder of the race at full chat.
How do you know that? Do you work for Merc?

oobster

7,108 posts

212 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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Was it not Hamilton on the left-hand side of turn three on lap 1 that had lifted off (after going off track at Turn 2) so as not to have gained an advantage that then made Vettel lift (resulting in Kvyat skelping the back of Vettel for the 2nd time)?

Also, for the conspiracy theorists, are the post-race car weights not published by the FIA? If so then is it possible to backwards-calculate fuel consumption therefore allowing those who are much better at Maths than me to estimate whether Hami could have kept up the pace when he was hunting down Rosberg?

rdjohn

6,224 posts

196 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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RichB said:
rdjohn said:
I think a far more logical answer was that because he had been pressing on so hard he needed to save fuel and low water pressure was this weekend's coded instruction for that to happen.
Not likely at all given that they ran 4 or 5 laps under the safety car so he would have had enough fuel to run the remainder of the race at full chat.
I am a huge fan of Lewis but the notion that he can consistently take lots of time out of Nico lap, after lap, using the same engine mode is a little fanciful. He will more than likely take engine grid penalties later in the year on his current useage, so he needed to drive to the 1,2 result that his paymasters want for every race. From Mercs perspective there is no need to take unnecessary engine life out of his remaining allowances.

He was giving it the full-beanz when he had the chance this afternoon. That does not fulfil Mercs aspirations for their championship. That is why he looked thoroughly peed-off on the podium, yet praised his mechanics in the interview ring.

glazbagun

14,285 posts

198 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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vonuber said:
Surely the most likely reason is that they are deliberately sabotaging the 3X WC and highly paid Hamilton as he is not German (or white).
yes His car has clearly been rigged to only develop peoblems when it threatens Rosberg. Had Hamilton continued to push, then the car of the three times WDC (who they have recently locked into a £100M contract in oeder to break his spirit) would have experienced another Mguh failure.

If this was still unable to defeat the poor plucky British underdog, and through sheer daring and moral fortitude, Hamilton completed a pass on Rosberg, his wheels would then jettison.

EnglishTony

2,552 posts

100 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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All cars were full at the beginning 'cos Sochi uses a lot of fuel. If any was left in the tank at the end beyond that which is demanded in the rules for the FIA to test then the engineers didn't get their calculations right.


RichB

51,692 posts

285 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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Vaud said:
RichB said:
Not likely at all given that they ran 4 or 5 laps under the safety car so he would have had enough fuel to run the remainder of the race at full chat.
How do you know that? Do you work for Merc?
I don't need to. It's blatantly obvious having listened to all the F1 armchair experts on here over the last few years to know that 4 or 5 laps at safety car speeds saves enough fuel for an any F1 car not to need to do any fuel saving later in the race. Sorry if I'm stating the obvious you did ask biggrin

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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glazbagun said:
vonuber said:
Surely the most likely reason is that they are deliberately sabotaging the 3X WC and highly paid Hamilton as he is not German (or white).
yes His car has clearly been rigged to only develop peoblems when it threatens Rosberg. Had Hamilton continued to push, then the car of the three times WDC (who they have recently locked into a £100M contract in oeder to break his spirit) would have experienced another Mguh failure.

If this was still unable to defeat the poor plucky British underdog, and through sheer daring and moral fortitude, Hamilton completed a pass on Rosberg, his wheels would then jettison.

I'm sure you're right. I'm surprised that the plane they flew out yesterday afternoon with the parts for Hamilton's engine wasn't diverted to Stuttgart. bds. laugh


Mastodon2

13,826 posts

166 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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Kvyat has proved himself to be an idiot and a total liability, blowing Vettel's race again. He needs to be severely reprimanded and reminded that he isn't a NASCAR driver.

Vaud

50,692 posts

156 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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RichB said:
don't need to. It's blatantly obvious having listened to all the F1 armchair experts on here over the last few years to know that 4 or 5 laps at safety car speeds saves enough fuel for an any F1 car not to need to do any fuel saving later in the race. Sorry if I'm stating the obvious you did ask biggrin
I must have lost the subtlety.

Dr Z

Original Poster:

3,396 posts

172 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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Vaud said:
RichB said:
Not likely at all given that they ran 4 or 5 laps under the safety car so he would have had enough fuel to run the remainder of the race at full chat.
How do you know that? Do you work for Merc?
I think it was mentioned somewhere during the race or was it in Ted's notebook that Merc were the only cars to not have to do any fuel saving this race.

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

160 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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Is it just me that heard this from Lewis?


"This year...each side of the garage has swapped.
He now has Nico's mechanics

Nico now has Lewis' mechanics"



Please someone review Sky's after race footage and confirm what I heard.


If so... the problem isn't with the car....

Vaud

50,692 posts

156 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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I think that was mentioned last race as well.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10259103/me...

HTP99

22,630 posts

141 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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I thought the mechanic swap was common knowledge.