The Official 2016 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
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Dr Z said:
Well, that was an interesting race. I'm not sure if it can be termed boring .....
Your description of the 'race' doesn't imbue much excitement though does it.A race defined by winning at the slowest speed, and strategy, and 'battles which saw combatants sitting on the tails of their prey for lap after lap.. along with constant discussion and re-interpretation of 'the rules',
The only series I think that where strategy has such a prominent role is in WEC, and even there the car on car action is better...
As I said, this year has thrown up some great moments. None of which can be found on this track though IMO.
VladD said:
I did wonder during the race whether Hamilton was doing this or whether Nico was just faster on the day. Was Lewis managing his engine so as to reduce wear on it confident that he could hold Nico off? Is this how Lewis is going to be driving from now on to conserve what PU components he has left?
Lewis won whilst conserving his engine. What does that tell you about nicos ability
NJK44 said:
VladD said:
I did wonder during the race whether Hamilton was doing this or whether Nico was just faster on the day. Was Lewis managing his engine so as to reduce wear on it confident that he could hold Nico off? Is this how Lewis is going to be driving from now on to conserve what PU components he has left?
Lewis won whilst conserving his engine. What does that tell you about nicos ability
sandman77 said:
NJK44 said:
Lewis won whilst conserving his engine.
What does that tell you about nicos ability
Nothing, it tells us it impossible to pass the best car on the grid on this circuit (even in an identical car).What does that tell you about nicos ability
Whenever Nico got close, Lewis pulled out the gap again. Lewis controlled Nico like his little b***h yesterday.
VladD said:
Dr Z said:
Anyway, congrats to Hamilton for "winning at the slowest speed possible". A very risky strategy and made it a bit more entertaining at the front.
I did wonder during the race whether Hamilton was doing this or whether Nico was just faster on the day. Was Lewis managing his engine so as to reduce wear on it confident that he could hold Nico off? Is this how Lewis is going to be driving from now on to conserve what PU components he has left?In this race, I'm thinking it was more about the tyres than his PU components. He really didn't need to drive that slowly in the first stint, but the manner he did it seemed to suggest that he wanted to have enough tyres left to go long enough on the 1st stint and/or have tyres left to put in a fast in-lap.
But then he kept doing the same thing through the 2nd stint, when Ricciardo was catching the Mercedes pair at a second per lap which seemed to suggest he was playing games with Nico or probably not stressing his PU much...it's only in the last stint he seemed to be under pressure from Nico as he struggled with traffic, but always seemed to have pace in hand when needed.
It was a very weird/different way of leading from the front. Reminded me of him doing some extreme fuel saving measures at the start of the hydrid era in 2014, so much so that the team had to tell him to drive faster and he didn't need to conserve so much!
Quickmoose said:
Your description of the 'race' doesn't imbue much excitement though does it.
A race defined by winning at the slowest speed, and strategy, and 'battles which saw combatants sitting on the tails of their prey for lap after lap.. along with constant discussion and re-interpretation of 'the rules',
The only series I think that where strategy has such a prominent role is in WEC, and even there the car on car action is better...
As I said, this year has thrown up some great moments. None of which can be found on this track though IMO.
I think the key word here is 'excitement'. I'm willing to guess, you have a very narrow definition of excitement. For me excitement in this context includes 1) teams fighting against each other using their pawns on track in a strategy battle 2) wheel-to-wheel racing and 3) the anticipation of a potential wheel-to-wheel battle on track using 1). We had plenty of 1 and 3, and a little bit of 2 in this race at the front. It's not a race that delivered off the scale excitement on all three counts, but it was an interesting one nonetheless.A race defined by winning at the slowest speed, and strategy, and 'battles which saw combatants sitting on the tails of their prey for lap after lap.. along with constant discussion and re-interpretation of 'the rules',
The only series I think that where strategy has such a prominent role is in WEC, and even there the car on car action is better...
As I said, this year has thrown up some great moments. None of which can be found on this track though IMO.
The excitement for me was that I had correctly predicted the top 7 in the fantasy formula 1 thing and I was scared that.
1) Nico would get past Lewis.
2) Seb would get past Dan.
3) Kimi would get past Max.
4) Fernando would break down.
I was literally on the edge of my seat for the last few laps.
1) Nico would get past Lewis.
2) Seb would get past Dan.
3) Kimi would get past Max.
4) Fernando would break down.
I was literally on the edge of my seat for the last few laps.
NJK44 said:
Nico never tried.
Whenever Nico got close, Lewis pulled out the gap again. Lewis controlled Nico like his little b***h yesterday.
Enjoyed his comment in the podium interviews "lost on first corner, impossible to overtake here". I think you'll find it's impossible to overtake anywhere when you're nowhere near the car in front!Whenever Nico got close, Lewis pulled out the gap again. Lewis controlled Nico like his little b***h yesterday.
Think I saw him get close 3 times, twice in traffic and LH mistake. Each time the gap was back over a second within about half a lap and Nico had never looked like being able to even attempt an overtake.
Dr Z said:
VladD said:
Dr Z said:
Anyway, congrats to Hamilton for "winning at the slowest speed possible". A very risky strategy and made it a bit more entertaining at the front.
I did wonder during the race whether Hamilton was doing this or whether Nico was just faster on the day. Was Lewis managing his engine so as to reduce wear on it confident that he could hold Nico off? Is this how Lewis is going to be driving from now on to conserve what PU components he has left?In this race, I'm thinking it was more about the tyres than his PU components. He really didn't need to drive that slowly in the first stint, but the manner he did it seemed to suggest that he wanted to have enough tyres left to go long enough on the 1st stint and/or have tyres left to put in a fast in-lap.
But then he kept doing the same thing through the 2nd stint, when Ricciardo was catching the Mercedes pair at a second per lap which seemed to suggest he was playing games with Nico or probably not stressing his PU much...it's only in the last stint he seemed to be under pressure from Nico as he struggled with traffic, but always seemed to have pace in hand when needed.
It was a very weird/different way of leading from the front. Reminded me of him doing some extreme fuel saving measures at the start of the hydrid era in 2014, so much so that the team had to tell him to drive faster and he didn't need to conserve so much!
Quickmoose said:
Your description of the 'race' doesn't imbue much excitement though does it.
A race defined by winning at the slowest speed, and strategy, and 'battles which saw combatants sitting on the tails of their prey for lap after lap.. along with constant discussion and re-interpretation of 'the rules',
The only series I think that where strategy has such a prominent role is in WEC, and even there the car on car action is better...
As I said, this year has thrown up some great moments. None of which can be found on this track though IMO.
I think the key word here is 'excitement'. I'm willing to guess, you have a very narrow definition of excitement. For me excitement in this context includes 1) teams fighting against each other using their pawns on track in a strategy battle 2) wheel-to-wheel racing and 3) the anticipation of a potential wheel-to-wheel battle on track using 1). We had plenty of 1 and 3, and a little bit of 2 in this race at the front. It's not a race that delivered off the scale excitement on all three counts, but it was an interesting one nonetheless.A race defined by winning at the slowest speed, and strategy, and 'battles which saw combatants sitting on the tails of their prey for lap after lap.. along with constant discussion and re-interpretation of 'the rules',
The only series I think that where strategy has such a prominent role is in WEC, and even there the car on car action is better...
As I said, this year has thrown up some great moments. None of which can be found on this track though IMO.
If I wanted lots of strategy I'd pick a different sport and if 3. keeps leading to nothing after a multiple attempts/laps and reverts to 1....it ceases to be 3.
The track is defining my opinion here, not the cars or drivers so much.
rsbmw said:
NJK44 said:
Nico never tried.
Whenever Nico got close, Lewis pulled out the gap again. Lewis controlled Nico like his little b***h yesterday.
Enjoyed his comment in the podium interviews "lost on first corner, impossible to overtake here". I think you'll find it's impossible to overtake anywhere when you're nowhere near the car in front!Whenever Nico got close, Lewis pulled out the gap again. Lewis controlled Nico like his little b***h yesterday.
Think I saw him get close 3 times, twice in traffic and LH mistake. Each time the gap was back over a second within about half a lap and Nico had never looked like being able to even attempt an overtake.
He was clearly ruining Nicos tyres and at first backing him up imo.
NJK44 said:
Nico never tried.
Whenever Nico got close, Lewis pulled out the gap again. Lewis controlled Nico like his little b***h yesterday.
This has become a Hamilton trademark; keeping the gap to exactly where he wants it - no more or no less. When he ran wide yesterday (T1 I think) Roseberg was on his rear like a Brighton day-tripper but less than two laps later, LH was back up to 1.5 seconds ahead. I think he drives with so much headroom.Whenever Nico got close, Lewis pulled out the gap again. Lewis controlled Nico like his little b***h yesterday.
Hamilton has definitely matured in recent years. When we used to get fuel stats on the screen (what happened to those) it was noticable that Hamilton always used less fuel than Rosberg despite being faster.
That's an art and something most balls to the wall racers dont do. Max appears similar with his easy tyre usage whilst maintaining pace.
That's an art and something most balls to the wall racers dont do. Max appears similar with his easy tyre usage whilst maintaining pace.
NJK44 said:
Exactly. Lewis always had the pace in hand if he needed to.
He was clearly ruining Nicos tyres and at first backing him up imo.
Lewis also takes the opportunity to needle Nico whenever he can. He knows Nico hates being backed up into traffic. I think it was China 2014 that Nico spat the dummy about Lewis "driving unnessessarily slow and backing me up and putting me under pressure".He was clearly ruining Nicos tyres and at first backing him up imo.
M3ax said:
NJK44 said:
Exactly. Lewis always had the pace in hand if he needed to.
He was clearly ruining Nicos tyres and at first backing him up imo.
Lewis also takes the opportunity to needle Nico whenever he can. He knows Nico hates being backed up into traffic. I think it was China 2014 that Nico spat the dummy about Lewis "driving unnessessarily slow and backing me up and putting me under pressure".He was clearly ruining Nicos tyres and at first backing him up imo.
Oh wait..
Quickmoose said:
I'm struggling to understand how Lewis can both extend the gap to something big enough to allow what amounts to free-air to NR (what's that anything over 2.5 seconds?), yet be backing him into DR, or whoever.
He was backing him up prior to the second stop I believe. The team warned him that they may have to bring Nico in first. Lewis then increased his pace.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff