The Official 2016 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
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suffolk009 said:
AndrewEH1 said:
Unless Hamilton joins Ferrari as the clear No1 driver I don't think he'll ever reach Schumacher's record.
HA. Good one. That assumes Ferrari will have a reliable car at some point in Hamilton's foreseeable career. I'm not so sure of that.M3ax said:
Quickmoose said:
I'm struggling to understand how Lewis can both extend the gap to something big enough to allow what amounts to free-air to NR (what's that anything over 2.5 seconds?), yet be backing him into DR, or whoever.
He was backing him up prior to the second stop I believe. The team warned him that they may have to bring Nico in first. Lewis then increased his pace.
Remember how we all mocked Zsolt Baumgartner and his lack of pace in the ancient Minardi he hauled around at the back of the grid in his home GP a dozen years ago?
This year, only three drivers went faster than Zsolt in the race.
I think the lack of race pace in dry F1 is shameful and embarrassing. In the wet (Monaco, Silverstone and 2015 Austin) you see drivers on the limit. In dry qualifying you see the same thrills. But I would not pay to turn up on a dry Sunday.
In any dry race, it is a controlled pace. And it has been since 2010, when Bridgestone left.
This year, only three drivers went faster than Zsolt in the race.
I think the lack of race pace in dry F1 is shameful and embarrassing. In the wet (Monaco, Silverstone and 2015 Austin) you see drivers on the limit. In dry qualifying you see the same thrills. But I would not pay to turn up on a dry Sunday.
In any dry race, it is a controlled pace. And it has been since 2010, when Bridgestone left.
Quickmoose said:
ah yes... was that a few laps after he had radio'd in saying he was 'struggling for pace'?... potentially just saying that to disguise his 'backing Nico up' plan...? quite possible..
Easy then, if Hamilton was backing up Nico by going slower then Nico should have been able to get around lewis...but he didn't even try.At the end of the day lewis knew he had the pace to match anything Nico did but also knows he has to save parts if he wants to win the championship...that's just smart driving if you ask me
Quickmoose said:
M3ax said:
Quickmoose said:
I'm struggling to understand how Lewis can both extend the gap to something big enough to allow what amounts to free-air to NR (what's that anything over 2.5 seconds?), yet be backing him into DR, or whoever.
He was backing him up prior to the second stop I believe. The team warned him that they may have to bring Nico in first. Lewis then increased his pace.
37chevy said:
Easy then, if Hamilton was backing up Nico by going slower then Nico should have been able to get around lewis...but he didn't even try.
At the end of the day lewis knew he had the pace to match anything Nico did but also knows he has to save parts if he wants to win the championship...that's just smart driving if you ask me
I don' think it's as easy as "Nico didn't try", we all saw Ferraris chasing Redbulls and not doing much/any trying.. I think it was a mix of Nico having the odd chance to get close (when Lewis messed up or got badly held up), but on each lap he was close LR had the same performance at worst let alone cleaner tyres and just quicker generally, a few laps later when Nico's brakes are hot and tyres getting scrubbed, the natural safe gap is maintained...At the end of the day lewis knew he had the pace to match anything Nico did but also knows he has to save parts if he wants to win the championship...that's just smart driving if you ask me
I said earlier I don't see the 'want' in Nico's driving generally, but at this track in particular whether you had desire or not, getting past was damn near impossible, unless the power/tyre advantage was significant.
Quickmoose said:
M3ax said:
Quickmoose said:
I'm struggling to understand how Lewis can both extend the gap to something big enough to allow what amounts to free-air to NR (what's that anything over 2.5 seconds?), yet be backing him into DR, or whoever.
He was backing him up prior to the second stop I believe. The team warned him that they may have to bring Nico in first. Lewis then increased his pace.M3ax said:
Lewis also takes the opportunity to needle Nico whenever he can. He knows Nico hates being backed up into traffic. I think it was China 2014 that Nico spat the dummy about Lewis "driving unnessessarily slow and backing me up and putting me under pressure".
China 2015:rosberg:
“It’s now interesting to hear from you Lewis that you were just thinking about yourself with the pace at the front,”
“Unnecessarily, that was compromising my race, because driving slower than was maybe necessary at the beginning of stints meant Sebastian was very close to me. It didn't compromise the team result but put unnecessary risk to the one-two and we went through that scenario before the race, which is frustrating.”
Lewis:
“It’s not my job to manage Nico’s race,”
Edited by GCH on Monday 25th July 16:28
GCH said:
M3ax said:
Lewis also takes the opportunity to needle Nico whenever he can. He knows Nico hates being backed up into traffic. I think it was China 2014 that Nico spat the dummy about Lewis "driving unnessessarily slow and backing me up and putting me under pressure".
China 2015:rosberg:
“It’s now interesting to hear from you Lewis that you were just thinking about yourself with the pace at the front,”
“Unnecessarily, that was compromising my race, because driving slower than was maybe necessary at the beginning of stints meant Sebastian was very close to me. It didn't compromise the team result but put unnecessary risk to the one-two and we went through that scenario before the race, which is frustrating.”
Lewis:
“It’s not my job to manage Nico’s race,”
but I f
king hate nico GCH said:
China 2015:
rosberg:
“It’s now interesting to hear from you Lewis that you were just thinking about yourself with the pace at the front,”
“Unnecessarily, that was compromising my race, because driving slower than was maybe necessary at the beginning of stints meant Sebastian was very close to me. It didn't compromise the team result but put unnecessary risk to the one-two and we went through that scenario before the race, which is frustrating.”
Lewis:
“It’s not my job to manage Nico’s race,”
I love this. If Nico felt Lewis was going slow.. Overtake.. rosberg:
“It’s now interesting to hear from you Lewis that you were just thinking about yourself with the pace at the front,”
“Unnecessarily, that was compromising my race, because driving slower than was maybe necessary at the beginning of stints meant Sebastian was very close to me. It didn't compromise the team result but put unnecessary risk to the one-two and we went through that scenario before the race, which is frustrating.”
Lewis:
“It’s not my job to manage Nico’s race,”
Edited by GCH on Monday 25th July 16:28
AndrewEH1 said:
Well, maybe not Ferrari but a Ferrari team mentality where only the No1 is allowed to win the race as Schumacher enjoyed in the 2000s
Not so sure he would want that as he says he likes to be challenged and has referred to the competition aspect many times in interviews when discussing 2007 with Alonso or the Button seasons at McLaren.Redlake27 said:
Remember how we all mocked Zsolt Baumgartner and his lack of pace in the ancient Minardi he hauled around at the back of the grid in his home GP a dozen years ago?
This year, only three drivers went faster than Zsolt in the race.
I think the lack of race pace in dry F1 is shameful and embarrassing. In the wet (Monaco, Silverstone and 2015 Austin) you see drivers on the limit. In dry qualifying you see the same thrills. But I would not pay to turn up on a dry Sunday.
In any dry race, it is a controlled pace. And it has been since 2010, when Bridgestone left.
Pirelli have done exactly what the FIA asked of them. Created tyres that had a noticeable drop off in performance to encourage pit stops. But in typical F1 style teams found that if they didn't push the tyres hard they could extend their life so that's what they did. Then Pirelli moved all the tyres 'up' (so the soft became the Hard, Super Soft became soft etc) and the teams had to work out the fastest way. It's the same with the fuel usage. They never fill the cars because under filling and then backing off in the race when you can is faster than adding fuel to run at pace for the whole race. Give a F1 team an millimetre and they will try and take a kilometre.This year, only three drivers went faster than Zsolt in the race.
I think the lack of race pace in dry F1 is shameful and embarrassing. In the wet (Monaco, Silverstone and 2015 Austin) you see drivers on the limit. In dry qualifying you see the same thrills. But I would not pay to turn up on a dry Sunday.
In any dry race, it is a controlled pace. And it has been since 2010, when Bridgestone left.
NJK44 said:
I love this. If Nico felt Lewis was going slow.. Overtake..
Nico could've turned up the wick to 90% of the cars potential and maybe passed Lewis. But Lewis may have gone to 91%, then Nico to 92% ......and so on. That'd be exciting, but they'd have to stop so many times that their private battle would've been for 5th and 6th - or worse.
When both drivers are driving at 85-90% because upping the game means they may be forced to 3 or 4 stop, they have to drive to a delta.
That's the sad state of current F1. We, once again, were watching a 'who can go the slowest to save the tyres' procession, like you see in a velodrome before the final sprint.
It only becomes a real race when both are at the limit.
Redlake27 said:
Nico could've turned up the wick to 90% of the cars potential and maybe passed Lewis.
But Lewis may have gone to 91%, then Nico to 92% ......and so on. That'd be exciting, but they'd have to stop so many times that their private battle would've been for 5th and 6th - or worse.
When both drivers are driving at 85-90% because upping the game means they may be forced to 3 or 4 stop, they have to drive to a delta.
That's the sad state of current F1. We, once again, were watching a 'who can go the slowest to save the tyres' procession, like you see in a velodrome before the final sprint.
It only becomes a real race when both are at the limit.
This is why we need bog standards cars, refuelling, and infinite tyres!But Lewis may have gone to 91%, then Nico to 92% ......and so on. That'd be exciting, but they'd have to stop so many times that their private battle would've been for 5th and 6th - or worse.
When both drivers are driving at 85-90% because upping the game means they may be forced to 3 or 4 stop, they have to drive to a delta.
That's the sad state of current F1. We, once again, were watching a 'who can go the slowest to save the tyres' procession, like you see in a velodrome before the final sprint.
It only becomes a real race when both are at the limit.
mattdaniels said:
Trabi601 said:
hammo19 said:
The best thing about F1 is Teds Notebook!
Who can forget his explanation of dildo style noses with the contents of the breakfast bar.NJK44 said:
GCH said:
China 2015:
rosberg:
“It’s now interesting to hear from you Lewis that you were just thinking about yourself with the pace at the front,”
“Unnecessarily, that was compromising my race, because driving slower than was maybe necessary at the beginning of stints meant Sebastian was very close to me. It didn't compromise the team result but put unnecessary risk to the one-two and we went through that scenario before the race, which is frustrating.”
Lewis:
“It’s not my job to manage Nico’s race,”
I love this. If Nico felt Lewis was going slow.. Overtake.. rosberg:
“It’s now interesting to hear from you Lewis that you were just thinking about yourself with the pace at the front,”
“Unnecessarily, that was compromising my race, because driving slower than was maybe necessary at the beginning of stints meant Sebastian was very close to me. It didn't compromise the team result but put unnecessary risk to the one-two and we went through that scenario before the race, which is frustrating.”
Lewis:
“It’s not my job to manage Nico’s race,”
Edited by GCH on Monday 25th July 16:28
I can't.
He would just go balls out for the overtake.
https://twitter.com/danielricciardo/status/7575171...
Nice to see them seeming to enjoy each others company.
Nice to see them seeming to enjoy each others company.
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