Getting very tired of the 2 brats at Mercedes

[deadslow]

REALIST123 said:

37chevy said:

2) nothing wrong with the post race press conference, lewis explained why he wanted things clarifying, Daniel Riccardo agreed with lewis, as has vettel since....it only seems like nico thinks its ok.

........and the stewards, of course. Things seem clear enough.

true

[Jasandjules]

Uh, drivers who are allowed to race have always acted like this, and far worse (sorry, in teams where they might actually win that is)...

And you will notice that they also complain about other drivers over the radio in the hope they might get a penalty...

[threespires]

ukaskew said:

I wish people would make their mind up, do we want corporate drones or individuals in the sport? Presumably we want characters, intrigue, tension, arguments etc. You can't have that without occasionally coming across somebody you personally dislike/disagree with for whatever reason.

I think Hamilton had a very good point and articulated it well, particularly with regards to how double waved yellows are perceived in lower formulas. Say what you like about him but he cares passionately about motorsport as a whole, that much has been very evident, particularly in some of the longer interviews he's done this year.

I quite agree.
I enjoyed his interview with Fiona Bruce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyFfCKZnwEI

[Derek Smith]

This will be the god old days in a few, probably very few, years.

We've had one driver who has lost a 43 point lead and is now trailing. The new leader will have grid penalties in all probability in the second half of the season. We have major political problems for the bloke running the team.

This is a magic time.

And Susi has replaced Jordan, if only for a while. What's not to like?

[Crafty_]

I think there are section of people out there who just like to moan and bh, which they will continue to do because they continue to watch. Every single race thread has a number of comments along the lines of "that was a st/boring/rubbish race, can't be arsed anymore, it's not like the good old days in the 60/70/80/90s".

And those same people will be back again for the next race, watching and moaning. I honestly don't get it - if you don't like it don't watch.

I also think that there is much less tolerance of others in today's society. "This guy doesn't act/say/think as I think he should, therefore he's a idiot".

We're all different.

[deadslow]

I am a long time F1 fan and watch all the races, good, bad or indifferent. The last race was boring.

I think we may be tempted to form opinions of the personal qualities of some/all of the F1 drivers because we get bombarded with information from lots of sources which, just a few years ago, didn't really exist. There's no admiring your heroes from afar when Sky et al are spinning up every fragment of trash into a bona fide story about a driver.

[37chevy]

deadslow said:

REALIST123 said:

37chevy said:

2) nothing wrong with the post race press conference, lewis explained why he wanted things clarifying, Daniel Riccardo agreed with lewis, as has vettel since....it only seems like nico thinks its ok.

........and the stewards, of course. Things seem clear enough.

true

And yet you ask ANY marshal what they feel about whether he slowed down appropriately....or any driver about what a double waved yellow means and they will disagree with the stewards.

Let's put it another way. Go stand on the side of a race track....get an f1 car to do 180kph past you while you're attending an accident.....and then get the driver to do 160kph instead....will you feel any safer or if he's slowed down sufficiently....bks has he.....if he hits you at 180kph or 160kph it's still going to kill the marshal.....and that's why the double waved flags are there.....

...it's to stop st like this happening again... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K3q8oQmPq6w

And if I seem like I get a bit would up over this subject I am....having marshalled for over 15 years I've had a few close calls in my time, usually down to drivers ignoring waved yellows....I URGE anyone here who thinks what rosberg did was acceptable to take up marshalling, go into a live situation and see how safe you feel trackside with cars flying past you!

Trust me realist and deadslow....it's no laughing matter

Edited by 37chevy on Wednesday 27th July 21:40

[jm doc]

deadslow said:

REALIST123 said:

37chevy said:

2) nothing wrong with the post race press conference, lewis explained why he wanted things clarifying, Daniel Riccardo agreed with lewis, as has vettel since....it only seems like nico thinks its ok.

........and the stewards, of course. Things seem clear enough.

true

Same people who were saying the stewards got it wrong in Austria when Rosberg was penalised for running Hamilton off the track

[Leroy902]

What's your solution op?...

Replace the 2 'brats' with Fernando and Sebastian!?


Go away and watch some tellytubbies.

[cgt2]

ukaskew said:

I think Hamilton had a very good point and articulated it well, particularly with regards to how double waved yellows are perceived in lower formulas. Say what you like about him but he cares passionately about motorsport as a whole, that much has been very evident, particularly in some of the longer interviews he's done this year.

And for the record every driver that was asked about this issue agreed with Hamilton. With Bianchi's death so recent surely caution should take precedence over anything else and many feel Rosberg did not slow down enough. Hamilton slowed appreciably when he came across Alonso. My first instinct on seeing Alonso was that he had another big shunt (thankfully not).

It doesn't matter who the driver or personality involved is, but Hamilton has a better platform to speak and be heard on this subject as a multiple chamption. To treat the matter lightly is to do a disservice to recent events which suggests nothing has been learnt. The FIA baffles me at times in their lack of consistency on serious matters when they can spend weeks navel-gazing over the issue of radios or track limits.

[Z3MCJez]

oyster said:

It's getting silly.

They have the most dominant car I've ever seen in my time watching F1.

Dating your watching to 90s onwards. The 1988 McLaren stands out as head and shoulders above anything else available that year. 15 of 16 won, and the last win thrown away by Senna lapping Schlesser standing in in the Williams, with 2/3 laps to go, leading to a Ferrari 1/2 at Monza.

And remember that back in the 80s cars didn't last. 50% retirements was the norm. McLaren were able to engineer some headroom into their design, making it reliable and still quick.

As to comments about double-waved yellows. I've made my point on the Hungary thread, and I'm sure we're going to hear more about it this weekend. The FIA will have to change their rules and soon.

Jez

[rubystone]

Smollet said:

I think a lot of F1 fans have no idea of the history of the sport they follow. The OP going by this thread seems to be one of them

Couldn't agree more, Toby.

[zebra]

oyster said:

It's getting silly.

They have the most dominant car I've ever seen in my time watching F1.
They are re-writing the record books and amassing stats that they would never have dreamed of a few years ago.
Each of them only has to turn up and beat one driver to win a race or a championship.

And all they appear to do is snipe and moan and whinge.
And their teamwork is in doubt too (Lewis, for example, trying to get the stewards to demote a Mercedes from pole).

The episode in the post-race interview in Hungary was embarrassing. I couldn't help but see a smiling Ricciardo there and wish him to the top step.


Please, please smile boys. Or let someone else win.

Most dominant car in your time watching F1? Wow, you're new to the party. There was this period under a team called red bull where they had a number one driver, ................

OP, would suggest you're a massive fanny.

[williamp]

37chevy said:

And if I seem like I get a bit would up over this subject I am....having marshalled for over 15 years I've had a few close calls in my time, usually down to drivers ignoring waved yellows....I URGE anyone here who thinks what rosberg did was acceptable to take up marshalling, go into a live situation and see how safe you feel trackside with cars flying past you!

I'm thinking of becoming a marshal next year. Going to a taster day this September

[HustleRussell]

zebra said:

Most dominant car in your time watching F1? Wow, you're new to the party. There was this period under a team called red bull where they had a number one driver, ................

OP, would suggest you're a massive fanny.

Vettel in the Red Bull would get pole by 3-6 tenths. His team mate would often be on the second row. Red Bull never had the dominance Mercedes has had continuously since 2014, Red Bull also never had the best engine. However the way the Red Bull team conducted itself and managed it's drivers was hateful. Horrible opaque corporate nonsense. That's why despite having the most dominant car in more than a decade, I prefer to see Mercedes doing it than 2010-2013 Red Bull.

[Leroy902]

oyster said:

It's getting silly.

They have the most dominant car I've ever seen in my time watching F1.
They are re-writing the record books and amassing stats that they would never have dreamed of a few years ago.
Each of them only has to turn up and beat one driver to win a race or a championship.

And all they appear to do is snipe and moan and whinge.
And their teamwork is in doubt too (Lewis, for example, trying to get the stewards to demote a Mercedes from pole).

The episode in the post-race interview in Hungary was embarrassing. I couldn't help but see a smiling Ricciardo there and wish him to the top step.


Please, please smile boys. Or let someone else win.

Those smiles you speak of weren't as evident after the handful of races prior to Hungry, when he was having his ass handed to him by a little boy .

[Flooble]

HustleRussell said:

zebra said:

Most dominant car in your time watching F1? Wow, you're new to the party. There was this period under a team called red bull where they had a number one driver, ................

OP, would suggest you're a massive fanny.

Vettel in the Red Bull would get pole by 3-6 tenths. His team mate would often be on the second row. Red Bull never had the dominance Mercedes has had continuously since 2014, Red Bull also never had the best engine. However the way the Red Bull team conducted itself and managed it's drivers was hateful. Horrible opaque corporate nonsense. That's why despite having the most dominant car in more than a decade, I prefer to see Mercedes doing it than 2010-2013 Red Bull.

I am thinking back to the early noughties Ferrari, when the only question was by how much Schumacher would win.

[zebra]

Flooble said:

HustleRussell said:

zebra said:

Most dominant car in your time watching F1? Wow, you're new to the party. There was this period under a team called red bull where they had a number one driver, ................

OP, would suggest you're a massive fanny.

Vettel in the Red Bull would get pole by 3-6 tenths. His team mate would often be on the second row. Red Bull never had the dominance Mercedes has had continuously since 2014, Red Bull also never had the best engine. However the way the Red Bull team conducted itself and managed it's drivers was hateful. Horrible opaque corporate nonsense. That's why despite having the most dominant car in more than a decade, I prefer to see Mercedes doing it than 2010-2013 Red Bull.

I am thinking back to the early noughties Ferrari, when the only question was by how much Schumacher would win.

.
Some of those races were embarrassing.

[AstonB]

37chevy said:

...it's to stop st like this happening again... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K3q8oQmPq6w

Edited by 37chevy on Wednesday 27th July 21:40

Jes*s f*cking Chr*st.

[37chevy]

williamp said:

I'm thinking of becoming a marshal next year. Going to a taster day this September

good man! youll love it!