Lewis Hamilton
Discussion
LDN said:
No debate to be had... he's right!
The debate at hand is data sharing... the Telegraph article in 2014 indicated that Lewis went over all of Nicos data and vice versa. I just question why he has shifted position? I suspect it is because he has been beaten to the WDC and he is looking for every tool possible to regain it this year, this being one aspect.
Quite possibly - but I've also read that Lewis did have his moments where he could see that he'd edged Nico and then Nico was shown Lewis's data and would then be close / on a par. I think Lewis has always felt that the data share favoured the other driver more than it did him. In any case, if he's told it's a must then it's a must.
M3ax said:
It's all mind games. Lewis is just gearing up for the season.
I wouldn't even read that into it. He's probably just mentioned something in passing along the lines of how he preferred the simplicity of karting, gave an example, and some journo has tried to squeeze some juice out of it.
swisstoni said:
M3ax said:
It's all mind games. Lewis is just gearing up for the season.
I wouldn't even read that into it. He's probably just mentioned something in passing along the lines of how he preferred the simplicity of karting, gave an example, and some journo has tried to squeeze some juice out of it.
You know Lewis, driving an F1 car is much like making love to a beautiful woman. You've got to assess every curve, check all of the data, you've got to look at all of your chances. Remember it's a race and not a sprint. Then you've got use your hands, feet and whole body for 2 hours and hope you big end doesn't let go too soon.
LDN said:
I think Lewis has always felt that the data share favoured the other driver more than it did him.
You don't really know what Lewis actually thinks, do you? 
In any event, if LH felt that sharing data was giving another driver an unfair insight into his genius, why then didn't he use his special power and simplyend that driver's career
The team lewis trash talk has started early this season.
Vaud said:
<in the voice of Swiss Toni>
You know Lewis, driving an F1 car is much like making love to a beautiful woman. You've got to assess every curve, check all of the data, you've got to look at all of your chances. Remember it's a race and not a sprint. Then you've got use your hands, feet and whole body for 2 hours and hope you big end doesn't let go too soon.
You know Lewis, driving an F1 car is much like making love to a beautiful woman. You've got to assess every curve, check all of the data, you've got to look at all of your chances. Remember it's a race and not a sprint. Then you've got use your hands, feet and whole body for 2 hours and hope you big end doesn't let go too soon.
I don't see the issue. If you think you are fundamentally faster than your team mate you wouldn't want them to see the data, and be able to copy.
It's a sign of self confidence and probably backed up by several examples where Rosberg copied/learnt from him. I'm sure he is 'forgetting' several instances where it worked the other way, but I like his approach.
We have to remember that current F1 often isn't flat out so maximizing these small advantages is more key than ever. Look how close the majority of team mates qualified 2 by 2 all last year.
He is also preempting being needled by media on how he lost last years championship.
swisstoni said:
journo has tried to squeeze some juice out of it.
I suspect there is an element of this. Also, Lewis has pretty much bettered each and every one of his team mates every season so when the team is overlaying the data with the other driver it is nearly always the other driver who benefits from that. Rosberg in particular seemed to apply this very well. I can see why Hamilton would want it to stop, although obviously the team won't do so.
Here's the thing the times when Nico was be faster than Lewis, Lewis will have looked at his data & he's said as much through the seasons when he was racing Nico which I have no problem with.
I'd say this is Lewis just trying to box Bottas into a proper number 2 position which I don't blame him for.
I'd say this is Lewis just trying to box Bottas into a proper number 2 position which I don't blame him for.
.I don't think Lewis is worried about Bottas it's more to do with surrounding himself with the cream of the crop in terms of personnel within the team therefore making sure Bottas doesn't get to close in the early rounds thus leaving Mercedes with no option to put all their chips (not that he didn't have the majority of them) on him.
ZX10R NIN said:
I don't think Lewis is worried about Bottas it's more to do with surrounding himself with the cream of the crop in terms of personnel within the team therefore making sure Bottas doesn't get to close in the early rounds thus leaving Mercedes with no option to put all their chips (not that he didn't have the majority of them) on him.
Like the last race of last season, he is playing a smart(ish) game. I'm just not sure why he needs to do it via the media, he could do the same internally to the team - but then as he admits, he has always worn his heart on his sleeve.ThePlanner said:
Yes Lewis is no MSC
1. He didn't cheat is way to his F1 Titles
2. MSC always had No. 1 Status and never had a Driver that can compete on his level in same team
Hard to get someone that can compete on his level in the same team because at his peak, there wasn't anyone on the planet that could compete on his level 1. He didn't cheat is way to his F1 Titles
2. MSC always had No. 1 Status and never had a Driver that can compete on his level in same team
And I'm not sure about your use of the word "titles" because surely only one of them could be up for debate?
I'd guess LH believes the data share has been more beneficial to his teammates than to him. I'm not sure about the very early days (Alo/Kov) but JB had problems setting up the McLaren, defaulting to LHs setup often. Then there's the Ros years where lap data study was taken up a level again. That whole dossier business made for Ros after Aus (in 2014 I think?) was quite weird imo.
whatxd said:
ThePlanner said:
Yes Lewis is no MSC
1. He didn't cheat is way to his F1 Titles
2. MSC always had No. 1 Status and never had a Driver that can compete on his level in same team
Hard to get someone that can compete on his level in the same team because at his peak, there wasn't anyone on the planet that could compete on his level 1. He didn't cheat is way to his F1 Titles
2. MSC always had No. 1 Status and never had a Driver that can compete on his level in same team
And I'm not sure about your use of the word "titles" because surely only one of them could be up for debate?
1994 - won due to a dodgy move that took Damon Out
1995 - Dominant Car
2000 - Dominant Car
2001 - Dominant Car
2002 - Dominant Car
2003 - Dominant Car - Given a tough season from Kimi only 2 points down
2004 - Dominant Car - Rubens had to play number 2 driver
The Same Way We had the McLaren, Benetton, Ferrari, Red Bull and now Mercedes dominance. He made good choice in his teams and capitalized on it.
ThePlanner said:
No one could Compete at his level, I disagree.
1994 - won due to a dodgy move that took Damon Out
1995 - Dominant Car
2000 - Dominant Car
2001 - Dominant Car
2002 - Dominant Car
2003 - Dominant Car - Given a tough season from Kimi only 2 points down
2004 - Dominant Car - Rubens had to play number 2 driver
The Same Way We had the McLaren, Benetton, Ferrari, Red Bull and now Mercedes dominance. He made good choice in his teams and capitalized on it.
I'd say that you might get away with giving three of those years as being the dominant car of the season; 2001, 2002 and 2004. In all the other seasons another team ran them close for the WCC, and MSC's teammate didn't finish second in the WDC.1994 - won due to a dodgy move that took Damon Out
1995 - Dominant Car
2000 - Dominant Car
2001 - Dominant Car
2002 - Dominant Car
2003 - Dominant Car - Given a tough season from Kimi only 2 points down
2004 - Dominant Car - Rubens had to play number 2 driver
The Same Way We had the McLaren, Benetton, Ferrari, Red Bull and now Mercedes dominance. He made good choice in his teams and capitalized on it.
In 1995 it was very close with Williams, and when he tested the '95 Ferrari ahead of the '96 season MSC reckoned it was a better car than his Benetton had been.
McLaren were still very strong in 2000, with both their drivers splitting the Ferrari drivers in the WDC. Ferrari only clinched the WCC at the final race of the season.
2003 was a three-way fight for the title against strong McLaren and Williams opposition. MSC only won the WDC by two points from Raikkonen. His teammate was only fourth, behind the Williams of Montoya. Hardly dominant.
ThePlanner said:
whatxd said:
ThePlanner said:
Yes Lewis is no MSC
1. He didn't cheat is way to his F1 Titles
2. MSC always had No. 1 Status and never had a Driver that can compete on his level in same team
Hard to get someone that can compete on his level in the same team because at his peak, there wasn't anyone on the planet that could compete on his level 1. He didn't cheat is way to his F1 Titles
2. MSC always had No. 1 Status and never had a Driver that can compete on his level in same team
And I'm not sure about your use of the word "titles" because surely only one of them could be up for debate?
1994 - won due to a dodgy move that took Damon Out
1995 - Dominant Car
2000 - Dominant Car
2001 - Dominant Car
2002 - Dominant Car
2003 - Dominant Car - Given a tough season from Kimi only 2 points down
2004 - Dominant Car - Rubens had to play number 2 driver
The Same Way We had the McLaren, Benetton, Ferrari, Red Bull and now Mercedes dominance. He made good choice in his teams and capitalized on it.
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