Lewis Hamilton

[AstonB]

amgmcqueen said:

After last weekend, his heads gone imo.

He now knows that if Nico Rosberg beats him to the WC in an identical car, he can never be considered one of the greats.

I honestly don't know if this is meant in jest or you're just thick as six pounds of sh*t in a three pound bag.

[majordad]

No,it's a fair point, how can one be that great if a team mate beats him fair and square in the same car and then wins the WDC ?
Lewis is good, bit as good as Clark, Hill, Stewart, Rindt, Rodriguez or Mikkola ?

Maybe Lewis will at some time prove me wrong??

[El Guapo]

To be fair to Lewis, he is clearly under a lot of stress at the moment. Mechanical failures and a few crap starts mean that he could well lose the WDC to a lesser driver. Having said that, he needs to acknowledge his highly privileged position (best car by miles, 800-odd people working flat out for him, huge salary, etc) and tone down the petulance. I would have expected greater professionalism and self-assuredness from a 3-time champ, including the ability to shrug off stupid stories in the media.

[_Leg_]

Dermot O'Logical said:

_Leg_ said:

Said like a man with a Golf Diesel. I bet you buy your clothes at Greenwoods.

You say that like it's a bad thing...





(Although I have no idea what a Greenwoods is. Costco for me!)

Think Tweed and brogues.

Age doesn't need to mean dead.

[r11co]

Dermot O'Logical said:

I suspect the same is true of Hamilton, or the Fresh Prince of Stevenage as he appears to be trying to style himself.

Good reference, but that says more about you than him.

Dermot O'Logical said:

And I suspect that he's less popular with the "older generation" of Formula 1 fans as he's trying to turn himself into one of those hippity-hoppity chaps who make such an awful racket.

It's convenient to say that it is just a generational thing, like the 'oldies' just don't get him, but Lewis is not a teenager or even an inbetweener anymore, and age should bring experience and self-awareness.

Dermot O'Logical said:

As far as Press Conferences are concerned, my understanding is that the participants are selected some time in advance by the FIA and participation is more contractural than discretionary or optional. And, as any driver or constructor knows, rubbing the FIA up the wrong way is not the easiest way to win friends and influence those who run the sport. And hand out penalties.

Self awareness (or lack thereof). There are ways of influencing one's surroundings that don't involve advertising that you are uncomfortable in them.

[Trabi601]

El Guapo said:

To be fair to Lewis, he is clearly under a lot of stress at the moment. Mechanical failures and a few crap starts mean that he could well lose the WDC to a lesser driver. Having said that, he needs to acknowledge his highly privileged position (best car by miles, 800-odd people working flat out for him, huge salary, etc) and tone down the petulance. I would have expected greater professionalism and self-assuredness from a 3-time champ, including the ability to shrug off stupid stories in the media.

I don't think you can really say that, as he's being beaten by Nico in an identical car.

Nico has really found himself this season - he's married, has a baby, so he's probably in a very good place.

We always knew Nico was quick. On his day, he's every bit as quick as Lewis and probably around half the time, has him beaten on pace. His failing has always been wheel to wheel racing. But Lewis has also had his seasons where his racecraft has been awful, too.

[768]

Trabi601 said:

I don't think you can really say that, as he's being beaten by Nico in an identical car.

Except Nico's doesn't seem to chew itself up.

[Trabi601]

768 said:

Trabi601 said:

I don't think you can really say that, as he's being beaten by Nico in an identical car.

Except Nico's doesn't seem to chew itself up.

That's F1 for you - I'm sure if you look across a number of seasons, both drivers have had largely equal issues.

If that's not the case, then the common denominator is the driver - so you have to look at how that driver is influencing the reliability of the car.

The wildcard at Mercedes is that they swapped the crews around this season - which would then throw into doubt Nico's performance over the past 2 seasons - has he been affected by issues caused by the crew who could be causing issues for Lewis this season?

However, I think we've only really seen a single championship in the time I've been watching F1 where the outcome was entirely out of the control of the driver - and that was Mansell's blowout in Australia in 1986. He had the title won, aside from that bit of bad luck.

[NJK44]

majordad said:

No,it's a fair point, how can one be that great if a team mate beats him fair and square in the same car and then wins the WDC ?
Lewis is good, bit as good as Clark, Hill, Stewart, Rindt, Rodriguez or Mikkola ?

Maybe Lewis will at some time prove me wrong??

Hardly fair & square..

[Crafty_]

majordad said:

No,it's a fair point, how can one be that great if a team mate beats him fair and square in the same car and then wins the WDC ?
Lewis is good, bit as good as Clark, Hill, Stewart, Rindt, Rodriguez or Mikkola ?

Maybe Lewis will at some time prove me wrong??

Simple, he hasn't had the same car. Engine failures, MGU-H failures, hydraulic failures, incorrect settings programmed, you name it, he's had it.

Rosberg has had nothing.

This is no different to 2014, where is suffered worse reliability than Rosberg, the only difference is that the gap has just been too big to cross this year.

He is one of the greats, he is a better driver/racer than Rosberg, but he needs a car thats in one piece to collect points, which hasn't happened.

Trabi601 said:

That's F1 for you - I'm sure if you look across a number of seasons, both drivers have had largely equal issues.

Incorrect.

2014:
Nico DNF'd at Silverstone and Singapore (Gearbox and Electrics) and of course he had a running issue in Abu Dhabi and Canada, but Canada didn't hurt too badly as he still came 2nd.

Lewis DNF'd in Australia (engine), Canada (brakes/engine) and Spa (non fault damage). But on top of that he had an engine fire in Hungary, causing him to start from the back. In Germany he had a brake disc explode during Q1, causing him to start 20th.


2015:
Rosberg suffered an engine failure at Monza, Hamilton had the same in Singapore. Nico then had a throttle issue in Russia.

2016:
The story tells itself, multiple MGU-H failures, penalty in Spa because he'd used all engines, Lost track time in Singapore, Repeated clutch issues, total engine failure in Malaysia. Rosberg has had similar clutch issues at times and had a single gearbox change, due to him running over kerbs.

They had not even nearly had the same reliability.

Edited by Crafty_ on Sunday 9th October 06:28

[anonymous-user]

Crafty_ said:

majordad said:

No,it's a fair point, how can one be that great if a team mate beats him fair and square in the same car and then wins the WDC ?
Lewis is good, bit as good as Clark, Hill, Stewart, Rindt, Rodriguez or Mikkola ?

Maybe Lewis will at some time prove me wrong??

Simple, he hasn't had the same car. Engine failures, MGU-H failures, hydraulic failures, incorrect settings programmed, you name it, he's had it.

Rosberg has had nothing.

This is no different to 2014, where is suffered worse reliability than Rosberg, the only difference is that the gap has just been too big to cross this year.

He is one of the greats, he is a better driver/racer than Rosberg, but he needs a car thats in one piece to collect points, which hasn't happened.

Trabi601 said:

That's F1 for you - I'm sure if you look across a number of seasons, both drivers have had largely equal issues.

Incorrect.

2014:
Nico DNF'd at Silverstone and Singapore (Gearbox and Electrics) and of course he had a running issue in Abu Dhabi and Canada, but Canada didn't hurt too badly as he still came 2nd.

Lewis DNF'd in Australia (engine), Canada (brakes/engine) and Spa (non fault damage). But on top of that he had an engine fire in Hungary, causing him to start from the back. In Germany he had a brake disc explode during Q1, causing him to start 20th.


2015:
Rosberg suffered an engine failure at Monza, Hamilton had the same in Singapore. Nico then had a throttle issue in Russia.

2016:
The story tells itself, multiple MGU-H failures, penalty in Spa because he'd used all engines, Lost track time in Singapore, Repeated clutch issues, total engine failure in Malaysia. Rosberg has had similar clutch issues at times and had a single gearbox change, due to him running over kerbs.

They had not even nearly had the same reliability.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 9th October 06:28

This is really getting to you isn't it?

[Crafty_]

REALIST123 said:

This is really getting to you isn't it?

Just correcting factually incorrect statements. Is that an issue for you ?

[r11co]

REALIST123 said:

This is really getting to you isn't it?

Fanboi stuff is funny.

[Crafty_]

r11co said:

Fanboi stuff is funny.

do grow up.

So show me where I've been a "fanboi" ?

I've pointed out that Lewis's season has been greatly compromised due to poor reliability that his team mate has not experienced.

Maybe facts are too hard for you to deal with because your petty, immature hatred is so strong ?

[Smollet]

NJK44 said:

majordad said:

No,it's a fair point, how can one be that great if a team mate beats him fair and square in the same car and then wins the WDC ?
Lewis is good, bit as good as Clark, Hill, Stewart, Rindt, Rodriguez or Mikkola ?

Maybe Lewis will at some time prove me wrong??

Hardly fair & square..

Hannu raced in F1?

[vonuber]

Crafty_ said:

They had not even nearly had the same reliability.

Maybe Lewis has less mechanical sympathy if he has more car failures.

Maybe he should ask his mate Alonso to.right another race for him, that'll help even out the championship.

[hora]

Very unusual how he has repeated mechanical issues.

I don't believe in 'luck' biting that amount of times. That will be playing on his mind.

As for team mate beating him in an identical car.

Do you believe two identical cars and one suffering 8 mishaps?

So clearly the car nor the support is identical.

[Sylvaforever]

Crafty_ said:

r11co said:

Fanboi stuff is funny.

do grow up.

So show me where I've been a "fanboi" ?

I've pointed out that Lewis's season has been greatly compromised due to poor reliability that his team mate has not experienced.

Maybe facts are too hard for you to deal with because your petty, immature hatred is so strong ?

[gibbon]

Trabi601 said:

That's F1 for you - I'm sure if you look across a number of seasons, both drivers have had largely equal issues.

If that's not the case, then the common denominator is the driver - so you have to look at how that driver is influencing the reliability of the car.

The wildcard at Mercedes is that they swapped the crews around this season - which would then throw into doubt Nico's performance over the past 2 seasons - has he been affected by issues caused by the crew who could be causing issues for Lewis this season?

However, I think we've only really seen a single championship in the time I've been watching F1 where the outcome was entirely out of the control of the driver - and that was Mansell's blowout in Australia in 1986. He had the title won, aside from that bit of bad luck.

I believe they changed the pit crew, not the race engineers etc. This seems to have been massively blown out of context.

[Biker 1]

NRS said:

Biker 1 said:

I absolutely can't stand Hamilton. Not sure if its the weird accent, his stupid haircut/beard, his massive gold chain & other assorted crap bling, his apparent attitude or what. Difficult to say exactly what. This kind of press conference carry-on certainly doesn't help his 'image' either. If we're going to have drivers with 'personalities', why can't they be more like, say, Raikonnen?
I guess Hamilton's just not 'cool', & he can't stand it when people point this out.

That is a bit strange to say - the point is he is very cool to a large portion of society. It may well be you disagree with his lifestyle and that part of society, but culture says he is a lot cooler than most on here. Again, go back to when you were young. Did your parents generation say "wow, you guys are cool", or did they say "young people are crazy, disrespectful etc"? I'd guess a lot of people posting here would have been growing up with rock music. It certainly wasn't cool to your parents generation for the most part, yet to you it was cool. Who was right? Same with this generation - is rap cool?

I suppose the follow up question is: who is the typical F1 fan, either watching TV or going to the races? My guess, & its only a guess, is that the 'rapperz from da hood' are not massive fans.
Whatever, LH appears to be a very Marmite character, at least judging by this forum. I can't stand him, doubtless others think the sun shines out of his arse.....