Lewis Hamilton
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InductionRoar said:
HustleRussell said:
Hungrymc said:
paulguitar said:
For all of us that followed Lewis since Cadet Karts, there are probably an equal amount of people who do not even KNOW he did Cadet Karts..........
You misunderstand. If you follow him and are British you are a typical British sheep. If you dislike him and are British, you a typically fickle Brit.If you are Italian and follow Ferrari, than you are an Italian sheep but at least you're not fickle.
It sounds as if the only way to be well regarded, is to follow someone unpopular, crap and ideally a different nationality.
love this post!Don't worry folks, InductionRoar appears to be climbing down.
I mean 'what has Hamilton done since 2008 to gain popularity?'
Sincerely,
Fickle Brit
Edited by HustleRussell on Saturday 22 July 18:46
What has Lewis achieved since 2008? He has won two WDCs in three years whilst driving the best car on the grid against (according to PH) an "undeserving champion", however, as Meat Loaf says "Two out of three ain't bad".
Lewis fans are the easiest to wind up. They seem so keen to defend their hero that they don't see the bigger picture. Often, in motorsport, an inferior driver in superior machinery will beat a superior driver in inferior equipment, that is why it is called motorsport, because the motor is the important factor.
Keep on supporting Lewis though. It gains him an extra 2/10ths at Silverstone. It is not the aerodynamicists or the engine builders it is you don't forget that.
It's odd Hamilton won in spec series / equal machinery against all and sundry - and it's strange the team principles each year seem to pick Hamilton as the best driver - even when Rosberg beat him to the title; Hamilton was their pick. You're either deluded or trolling because I don't think you're that daft.......
REALIST123 said:
Worldwide viewing figures are dropping, to a 12 year low last year. He needs to try harder.
There you go, fill your boots;https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/analysis-puttin...
I only watch the free races as I'm not interested in Sky etc (I'm not in enough to sit glued to a tv/I like being outdoors)
LDN said:
You should be a team manager - or at least a consultant... imagine how happy Mercedes will be when they find out they needn't pay Hamilton a penny; just get rid of him and drop Maldonado in the cockpit.
It's odd Hamilton won in spec series / equal machinery against all and sundry - and it's strange the team principles each year seem to pick Hamilton as the best driver - even when Rosberg beat him to the title; Hamilton was their pick. You're either deluded or trolling because I don't think you're that daft.......
I am neither deluded nor trolling, although I confess that some of my posts are somewhat tongue in cheek. If you go back and read my posts though, I haven't once directed any criticism at Hamilton. I have merely, made points and the fans have filled in the blanks and really got quite defensive over something they inferred I have said.It's odd Hamilton won in spec series / equal machinery against all and sundry - and it's strange the team principles each year seem to pick Hamilton as the best driver - even when Rosberg beat him to the title; Hamilton was their pick. You're either deluded or trolling because I don't think you're that daft.......
In my opinion during the last three years any driver pairing on the grid would have won the WCC with Mercedes, such is the performance of the car. If Mercedes had put Maldonado in the Mercedes the last three years and gave him an uncompetitive driver as a teammate, say Ericsson, are you saying you wouldn't have backed him for a WDC and Mercedes for the WCC?
InductionRoar said:
LDN said:
You should be a team manager - or at least a consultant... imagine how happy Mercedes will be when they find out they needn't pay Hamilton a penny; just get rid of him and drop Maldonado in the cockpit.
It's odd Hamilton won in spec series / equal machinery against all and sundry - and it's strange the team principles each year seem to pick Hamilton as the best driver - even when Rosberg beat him to the title; Hamilton was their pick. You're either deluded or trolling because I don't think you're that daft.......
I am neither deluded nor trolling, although I confess that some of my posts are somewhat tongue in cheek. If you go back and read my posts though, I haven't once directed any criticism at Hamilton. I have merely, made points and the fans have filled in the blanks and really got quite defensive over something they inferred I have said.It's odd Hamilton won in spec series / equal machinery against all and sundry - and it's strange the team principles each year seem to pick Hamilton as the best driver - even when Rosberg beat him to the title; Hamilton was their pick. You're either deluded or trolling because I don't think you're that daft.......
In my opinion during the last three years any driver pairing on the grid would have won the WCC with Mercedes, such is the performance of the car. If Mercedes had put Maldonado in the Mercedes the last three years and gave him an uncompetitive driver as a teammate, say Ericsson, are you saying you wouldn't have backed him for a WDC and Mercedes for the WCC?
I'm not sure Maldonado would actually have been wdc in the car; such is his crap driving. But yes, when the Merc was dominant, the Red Bull, the McLaren, the Ferrari, etc... then there have been multiple cases of machine dominance where other drivers could have won in said machinery. But F1 is more complex than that; the team needs consistency; it needs feedback and it needs adaptability. Again; Hamilton is supreme on all fronts... and so whilst other drivers might have won races and ultimately the crown; in any of the dominant era cars; it may have been tougher going and more nail biting for the teams in question.
Why is is that even when Hamilton didn't win the WDC, he was still the team principals pick? Why, in equal machinery, did Hamilton do so well. Your points are made to undermine his sheer brilliance in a car; and it's as bad as rabid fanboyism; is of a similar ilk but you don't see that... to the point you accuse the whole British public as being 'sheep' - and when it's spelt out to you how ridiculous that is; you seem to skulk off. You should relax and simply revel in the level of skill we have on the grid today; never has their been so much talent, Hamilton included of course.
I think all this "he has the best machine" begs the question why did nico chicken out of defending his championship rather than take on the useless hamilton in the same machine?
could this be that even in the same machine hamilton would be the favourite to win
or is it nico has the balls of a immature mouse and got scared?
could this be that even in the same machine hamilton would be the favourite to win
or is it nico has the balls of a immature mouse and got scared?
citizensm1th said:
I think all this "he has the best machine" begs the question why did nico chicken out of defending his championship rather than take on the useless hamilton in the same machine?
could this be that even in the same machine hamilton would be the favourite to win
or is it nico has the balls of a immature mouse and got scared?
It was a monumental effort from Nico last year. I think the commitment he had to bring was totally at odds with what he wants from life (Family etc). He had to become ever more ruthless as he had to take any opportunity that came. He was in the best car so had to win but up against a better driver he new the opportunity would be scarce. I'd rather have seen him defend but I really doubt he could maintain the intensity in himself that it had taken last year.could this be that even in the same machine hamilton would be the favourite to win
or is it nico has the balls of a immature mouse and got scared?
I think this is something we gloss over in these threads. The pressure at the very front is a magnitude above the pressure in the pack behind. Small errors are the difference between WDC and not as opposed to being the diff between 6th and 7th. Look at Seb, we saw a lovely, funny and relaxed Seb once he was no longer in a car that was likely to win the championship. It only took a few rounds in a competitive car to see some quite incredible behavior. The expectation and pressure is immense and we should remember that when we're discussing them.
LDN said:
Mercedes themselves obviously don't think that...
I'm not sure Maldonado would actually have been wdc in the car; such is his crap driving. But yes, when the Merc was dominant, the Red Bull, the McLaren, the Ferrari, etc... then there have been multiple cases of machine dominance where other drivers could have won in said machinery. But F1 is more complex than that; the team needs consistency; it needs feedback and it needs adaptability. Again; Hamilton is supreme on all fronts... and so whilst other drivers might have won races and ultimately the crown; in any of the dominant era cars; it may have been tougher going and more nail biting for the teams in question.
Why is is that even when Hamilton didn't win the WDC, he was still the team principals pick? Why, in equal machinery, did Hamilton do so well. Your points are made to undermine his sheer brilliance in a car; and it's as bad as rabid fanboyism; is of a similar ilk but you don't see that... to the point you accuse the whole British public as being 'sheep' - and when it's spelt out to you how ridiculous that is; you seem to skulk off. You should relax and simply revel in the level of skill we have on the grid today; never has their been so much talent, Hamilton included of course.
I agree with everything you say.I'm not sure Maldonado would actually have been wdc in the car; such is his crap driving. But yes, when the Merc was dominant, the Red Bull, the McLaren, the Ferrari, etc... then there have been multiple cases of machine dominance where other drivers could have won in said machinery. But F1 is more complex than that; the team needs consistency; it needs feedback and it needs adaptability. Again; Hamilton is supreme on all fronts... and so whilst other drivers might have won races and ultimately the crown; in any of the dominant era cars; it may have been tougher going and more nail biting for the teams in question.
Why is is that even when Hamilton didn't win the WDC, he was still the team principals pick? Why, in equal machinery, did Hamilton do so well. Your points are made to undermine his sheer brilliance in a car; and it's as bad as rabid fanboyism; is of a similar ilk but you don't see that... to the point you accuse the whole British public as being 'sheep' - and when it's spelt out to you how ridiculous that is; you seem to skulk off. You should relax and simply revel in the level of skill we have on the grid today; never has their been so much talent, Hamilton included of course.
Like I say, I haven't directed a single negative comment towards Lewis, unless you class not being given the opportunity to provide such exciting drives as others as negative. I was merely picking up on the fact that there are more Lewis fans now than in previous years and surmising why that may be. I think it is down to his success and celebrity, which is where the sheep comment came from but I think you knew that. He does seem to appeal to both racing fans and the x-factor generation. I think he attracts the same number of racing fans as he did in 2007 but has a completely different and additional fan base as a result of his Instagram lifestyle, which is clearly good for the sport financially.
I have never questioned his ability, clearly you would be a fool to do so. I am not sure where or when I skulked off or where you get the idea I am anything other than relaxed but thank you for your concern. I shall enjoy the next GP and enjoy the racing from wherever it comes. Hopefully, Lewis will be in the mix so he can demonstrate his excellent race-craft but I expect he will lead from the front again. By the way, that isn't an effort to undermine his brilliance, quite the reverse in fact. I am clearly not alone in finding pole to flag wins boring as evidenced by the fact you often don't even see Lewis in the race (on the television of course, as I am only an armchair fan) because the action is going on behind him.
InductionRoar said:
LDN said:
Mercedes themselves obviously don't think that...
I'm not sure Maldonado would actually have been wdc in the car; such is his crap driving. But yes, when the Merc was dominant, the Red Bull, the McLaren, the Ferrari, etc... then there have been multiple cases of machine dominance where other drivers could have won in said machinery. But F1 is more complex than that; the team needs consistency; it needs feedback and it needs adaptability. Again; Hamilton is supreme on all fronts... and so whilst other drivers might have won races and ultimately the crown; in any of the dominant era cars; it may have been tougher going and more nail biting for the teams in question.
Why is is that even when Hamilton didn't win the WDC, he was still the team principals pick? Why, in equal machinery, did Hamilton do so well. Your points are made to undermine his sheer brilliance in a car; and it's as bad as rabid fanboyism; is of a similar ilk but you don't see that... to the point you accuse the whole British public as being 'sheep' - and when it's spelt out to you how ridiculous that is; you seem to skulk off. You should relax and simply revel in the level of skill we have on the grid today; never has their been so much talent, Hamilton included of course.
I agree with everything you say.I'm not sure Maldonado would actually have been wdc in the car; such is his crap driving. But yes, when the Merc was dominant, the Red Bull, the McLaren, the Ferrari, etc... then there have been multiple cases of machine dominance where other drivers could have won in said machinery. But F1 is more complex than that; the team needs consistency; it needs feedback and it needs adaptability. Again; Hamilton is supreme on all fronts... and so whilst other drivers might have won races and ultimately the crown; in any of the dominant era cars; it may have been tougher going and more nail biting for the teams in question.
Why is is that even when Hamilton didn't win the WDC, he was still the team principals pick? Why, in equal machinery, did Hamilton do so well. Your points are made to undermine his sheer brilliance in a car; and it's as bad as rabid fanboyism; is of a similar ilk but you don't see that... to the point you accuse the whole British public as being 'sheep' - and when it's spelt out to you how ridiculous that is; you seem to skulk off. You should relax and simply revel in the level of skill we have on the grid today; never has their been so much talent, Hamilton included of course.
It seems it's his lifestyle that get most people's goat... and whilst it's not my cup of tea; I'm able to completely ignore it and just watch the on-track action. I'm still unsure why so many people get upset / wound up / angry / unnerved / etc, by what Hamilton does off track. I find it genuinely bizarre! Not including you in that; just a general observation... because it can't be his driving ability that they don't like.
Long may Hamilton stay in F1; And long may the new kids on the block keep pushing things forward.
InductionRoar said:
HustleRussell said:
Hungrymc said:
You misunderstand. If you follow him and are British you are a typical British sheep. If you dislike him and are British, you a typically fickle Brit.
If you are Italian and follow Ferrari, than you are an Italian sheep but at least you're not fickle.
It sounds as if the only way to be well regarded, is to follow someone unpopular, crap and ideally a different nationality.
If you are Italian and follow Ferrari, than you are an Italian sheep but at least you're not fickle.
It sounds as if the only way to be well regarded, is to follow someone unpopular, crap and ideally a different nationality.
love this post!Don't worry folks, InductionRoar appears to be climbing down.
I mean 'what has Hamilton done since 2008 to gain popularity?'
Sincerely,
Fickle Brit
What has Lewis achieved since 2008? He has won two WDCs in three years whilst driving the best car on the grid against (according to PH) an "undeserving champion", however, as Meat Loaf says "Two out of three ain't bad".
Lewis fans are the easiest to wind up. They seem so keen to defend their hero that they don't see the bigger picture. Often, in motorsport, an inferior driver in superior machinery will beat a superior driver in inferior equipment, that is why it is called motorsport, because the motor is the important factor.
Keep on supporting Lewis though. It gains him an extra 2/10ths at Silverstone. It is not the aerodynamicists or the engine builders it is you don't forget that.
Hungrymc said:
InductionRoar said:
Lewis fans are the easiest to wind up.
With ridiculous and contradictory cliches about their nationality.You may think you are winding people up, I think most are laughing at you.
You asked me to provide the contradictory cliché Mr. Hungry, it wasn't actually my real opinion. Only on PH could somebody take issue with your post, ask you to provide a paragraph contradicting it and then say that you are contradicting yourself. Maybe some emojis would help you understand my intended tone in future?
Your post also seems to suggest that Lewis' fans are all British whereas, I thought we had established that he was the worldwide favourite.
HustleRussell said:
There you go again, leaping to conclusions, trying to pidgeonhole people based on your own creative interpretation of their short posts... you frankly aren't worth bothering with. You even missed my not-so-subtle hint about my own views on Hamilton. I just think it's laughable that you could fail to acknowledge that Hamilton's growth in popularity might be at least partly due to his success on track- recently equalling long standing career pole records etc. Hamilton is also instrumental in F1's push into the Americas. Like him or not, he is doing great things for the sport, as Bernie, Carey etc will attest.
What conclusions have I made? How have I pigeonholed you? I must be ever so slightly worth bothering with, given that you have responded to my "laughable" posts.I'm not sure I have failed to acknowledge that Hamilton's rise in popularity is due, in part, to his success on track? I clearly said that the British love to support a proven commodity, how does that support your statement? I really do wish people would read posts before completely missing the point and then calling people out on them.
InductionRoar said:
HustleRussell said:
There you go again, leaping to conclusions, trying to pidgeonhole people based on your own creative interpretation of their short posts... you frankly aren't worth bothering with. You even missed my not-so-subtle hint about my own views on Hamilton. I just think it's laughable that you could fail to acknowledge that Hamilton's growth in popularity might be at least partly due to his success on track- recently equalling long standing career pole records etc. Hamilton is also instrumental in F1's push into the Americas. Like him or not, he is doing great things for the sport, as Bernie, Carey etc will attest.
What conclusions have I made? How have I pigeonholed you? I must be ever so slightly worth bothering with, given that you have responded to my "laughable" posts.I'm not sure I have failed to acknowledge that Hamilton's rise in popularity is due, in part, to his success on track? I clearly said that the British love to support a proven commodity, how does that support your statement? I really do wish people would read posts before completely missing the point and then calling people out on them.
InductionRoar said:
Hardly surprising though is it? I personally don't see it as indicative of anything other than the sheep-like nature of the average British person. The British just love to be a part of something but often lack the requisite imagination and look to popular culture/social media for confirmation/acceptance.
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