Lewis Hamilton

[Derek Smith]

Hamilton has had a dig at Rosberg? It was very mild.

Rosberg can't seem to open his mouth without having a dig at Hamilton. He's in one of the monthlies saying how he had to mess with Hailton's mind - presumably because he wasn't fast enough. Must have got the idea from PH.

Anyway, LH crashed in Q1, meaning he starts from the back. He's mentally broken by his fourth WDC I suppose. Let's hope he doesn't get entangled with backmarkers and fights his way through on TV. This could be fun, even if he's mentally broken.

[ZX10R NIN]

I agree it should be a cracking race I expect LH to get upto 5th by the end of the race it should make for good viewing with both he & DR coming through the pack.

[anonymous-user]

Sa Calobra said:

If he was white much more British people would love him.

I still think we have an issue taking non white stars to heart.

Many of our national sporting heroes are black, mixed race or non white.

Just look at the poster girl for the UK Olympics, Jessica Ennis Hill, the daughter of a black Jamaican man and white English mother. The poster boy was Tom Daley, a young gay man, one of our most supported stars, Mohamed Farah, a black Somali immigrant Muslim man.

The UK public don't have any problem taking sports stars to their heart if they happen to be non white (or gay or of any religion), i could list hundreds but you can use google i am sure.

UK public voted the sportsman of the 20th century as one Mohamed Ali, a Black man.

The UK is one of the most inclusive countries in the world and i find it annoying when i see rubbish like your post. The fact Lewis is not white is not relevant to how he is perceived, apart from such a small minority of people they are a statistical irrelevance.

[HustleRussell]

Well said jsf, The non-Hamilton fan = racist argument is cropping up more and more here, same people every time, it's a completely binary and pointless remark by and large and while some people have revealed prejudice on these forums this accusation is generally baseless.

[HighwayStar]

Derek Smith said:

Hamilton has had a dig at Rosberg? It was very mild.

Rosberg can't seem to open his mouth without having a dig at Hamilton. He's in one of the monthlies saying how he had to mess with Hailton's mind - presumably because he wasn't fast enough. Must have got the idea from PH.

Anyway, LH crashed in Q1, meaning he starts from the back. He's mentally broken by his fourth WDC I suppose. Let's hope he doesn't get entangled with backmarkers and fights his way through on TV. This could be fun, even if he's mentally broken.

All he said is he could’ve retired like Nico did... a fact, hardly a dig... some people just have to turn every little comment, a little moody into the biggest gripe against Hamilton. Strange.

[_Leg_]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Perhaps things need to be tightened regarding accountants rather than pointing the finger at celebrities etc.

If these tax avoidance measures were not suggested by the people in the know then there would not be an issue

Edited by ELUSIVEJIM on Saturday 11th November 16:14

The tax payer and their advisor merely adhere to the rules the HMRC sets. Understanding those rules in such detail that you can minimise you/your client's tax bill within the law is, to me, perfectly acceptable.

HMRC make the rules, you can't blame people for playing to the exact rules and making them work for them. It's akin to track limits. If the FIA are vague, of course drivers will cut corners. Not the driver's fault, it's the FIA's fault.

[SystemParanoia]

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Cant argue with that.
I was looking forward to a much better fight from verstappen.. but i guess the new merc engine was just too much

Kimmi must have turned his engine way into the read to find that extra pace at the end though

[E34-3.2]

jsf said:

Sa Calobra said:

If he was white much more British people would love him.

I still think we have an issue taking non white stars to heart.

Many of our national sporting heroes are black, mixed race or non white.

Just look at the poster girl for the UK Olympics, Jessica Ennis Hill, the daughter of a black Jamaican man and white English mother. The poster boy was Tom Daley, a young gay man, one of our most supported stars, Mohamed Farah, a black Somali immigrant Muslim man.

The UK public don't have any problem taking sports stars to their heart if they happen to be non white (or gay or of any religion), i could list hundreds but you can use google i am sure.

UK public voted the sportsman of the 20th century as one Mohamed Ali, a Black man.

The UK is one of the most inclusive countries in the world and i find it annoying when i see rubbish like your post. The fact Lewis is not white is not relevant to how he is perceived, apart from such a small minority of people they are a statistical irrelevance.

Indeed, better not generalise to every sports.

The problem Is F1 and his public. To think that only in 2007 was the first time F1 as ever seen a non white man driving is showing that something is not right with the sport where most of other sports on the planet are accessible to anyone.
Just look at the public around F1 tracks pre Hamilton careers... does it represent the wonderful British multiculturalism? Certainly not and it will take a long time before the F1 public accept that "their" sport has to embrace our beautiful differences.

[200Plus Club]

I dislike JK equally as much as Hamilton for their "persona" . Maybe they just come across annoyingly to some. Racism isnt a factor.

[simonpeter]

Perhaps the rock star image Lewis actively cultivates is not the image most Brits regardless of upbringing or ethnic background feel comfortable with. Don`t we like our hero`s to be ordinary people away from the limelight. Maybe it helps us to believe that we could do it too if we had the chance.
The comments about motor racing in general being too white! What can you say. It is the most restricted sport there is. If we all had Lance Stroll`s dad then we would find out who really is the best driver in the world.

[travel is dangerous]

simonpeter said:

Perhaps the rock star image Lewis actively cultivates is not the image most Brits regardless of upbringing or ethnic background feel comfortable with. Don`t we like our hero`s to be ordinary people away from the limelight. Maybe it helps us to believe that we could do it too if we had the chance.
The comments about motor racing in general being too white! What can you say. It is the most restricted sport there is. If we all had Lance Stroll`s dad then we would find out who really is the best driver in the world.

POWER
FORCE
SPEED
von TRIPS

all good names for a racing driver.

stroll?

[Derek Smith]

Hamilton, in his post race interview, admitted that his crash in Q1 was his fault and because of it he lost the race. Despite his rather epic drive, he more or less apologised. This is not normal behaviour of an F1 driver. Yet another reason to dislike him?

[simonpeter]

I was talking about being the son of a billionaire. I was never able to go kart racing, I am sure that goes for most on here too.

[DeltonaS]

Derek Smith said:

Hamilton, in his post race interview, admitted that his crash in Q1 was his fault and because of it he lost the race. Despite his rather epic drive, he more or less apologised. This is not normal behaviour of an F1 driver. Yet another reason to dislike him?

Epic drive ?

If you've followed the season (and by the way the previous three), you've seen that there's a huge performance gap between the top three teams and rest of the field. It's not even a contest.

Secondly Merc. turned up on Ham's new engine in Brazil. And for the first time this season Ham drove the entire race on full power.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/merce...

RedBull (and the other Renault teams) on the other hand turned down the power because they have a lack of spare parts and have reliability problems.

So No.44 drove around with a more powerfull car than the entire field including his teammate, had two DRS zones on every lap and was gifted three DNF's in the first two laps. And the nature of the track (especially the fast up hill part) did the rest. He overtook cars with a +30 km/h speed difference. Nobody even bothered to defend.

So theirs nothing epic or masterclass about Ham's 4th place, it just a natural outcome of the in difference in performance. He ended where he should've ended.

By the way it's quite amusing to see that the British press hails Ham and the German press (Auto Motor und Sport) hails the Mercedes engine.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11123386/le...

I'll go with the German press this time.

[liner33]

simonpeter said:

Perhaps the rock star image Lewis actively cultivates is not the image most Brits regardless of upbringing or ethnic background feel comfortable with. Don`t we like our hero`s to be ordinary people away from the limelight. Maybe it helps us to believe that we could do it too if we had the chance.
The comments about motor racing in general being too white! What can you say. It is the most restricted sport there is. If we all had Lance Stroll`s dad then we would find out who really is the best driver in the world.

Maybe but it is a race thing, James Hunt was loved and he was a total dick, a playboy and very much rock star image and came across as an upper class toff , so hardly a man of the people.

Mind you people seem to love Mo Farrah and he isnt anywhere near the role model that Lewis is

[HighwayStar]

DeltonaS said:

Derek Smith said:

Hamilton, in his post race interview, admitted that his crash in Q1 was his fault and because of it he lost the race. Despite his rather epic drive, he more or less apologised. This is not normal behaviour of an F1 driver. Yet another reason to dislike him?

Epic drive ?

If you've followed the season (and by the way the previous three), you've seen that there's a huge performance gap between the top three teams and rest of the field. It's not even a contest.

Secondly Merc. turned up on Ham's new engine in Brazil. And for the first time this season Ham drove the entire race on full power.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/merce...

RedBull (and the other Renault teams) on the other hand turned down the power because they have a lack of spare parts and have reliability problems.

So No.44 drove around with a more powerfull car than the entire field including his teammate, had two DRS zones on every lap and was gifted three DNF's in the first two laps. And the nature of the track (especially the fast up hill part) did the rest. He overtook cars with a +30 km/h speed difference. Nobody even bothered to defend.

So theirs nothing epic or masterclass about Ham's 4th place, it just a natural outcome of the in difference in performance. He ended where he should've ended.

By the way it's quite amusing to see that the British press hails Ham and the German press (Auto Motor und Sport) hails the Mercedes engine.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11123386/le...

I'll go with the German press this time.

I had a little read of your last Lewis related posts... You really don't like him or want to give him any credit do you

And before you say anything...

Say Merc don't get it together next year and RedBull rock up with a reliable Renault engine/Newey genius package, head and shoulders above anything else with Max V running away with it. Will you be saying it's all Newey?
If Ferrari produce the car they've been threaten to will you be saying praising Seb as he romps away with it will you be cheering him on or saying it's the car?

[The Moose]

E34-3.2 said:

Indeed, better not generalise to every sports.

The problem Is F1 and his public. To think that only in 2007 was the first time F1 as ever seen a non white man driving is showing that something is not right with the sport where most of other sports on the planet are accessible to anyone.
Just look at the public around F1 tracks pre Hamilton careers... does it represent the wonderful British multiculturalism? Certainly not and it will take a long time before the F1 public accept that "their" sport has to embrace our beautiful differences.

Sato?

[E34-3.2]

DeltonaS said:

Epic drive ?

If you've followed the season (and by the way the previous three), you've seen that there's a huge performance gap between the top three teams and rest of the field. It's not even a contest.

Secondly Merc. turned up on Ham's new engine in Brazil. And for the first time this season Ham drove the entire race on full power.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/merce...

RedBull (and the other Renault teams) on the other hand turned down the power because they have a lack of spare parts and have reliability problems.

So No.44 drove around with a more powerfull car than the entire field including his teammate, had two DRS zones on every lap and was gifted three DNF's in the first two laps. And the nature of the track (especially the fast up hill part) did the rest. He overtook cars with a +30 km/h speed difference. Nobody even bothered to defend.

So theirs nothing epic or masterclass about Ham's 4th place, it just a natural outcome of the in difference in performance. He ended where he should've ended.

By the way it's quite amusing to see that the British press hails Ham and the German press (Auto Motor und Sport) hails the Mercedes engine.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11123386/le...

I'll go with the German press this time.

I guess an epic drive from English Hamilton completely eclipsed a great drive from German Vettel, do you think the Germans will praise the English side of things!?

[angrymoby]

liner33 said:

Maybe but it is a race thing, James Hunt was loved and he was a total dick, a playboy and very much rock star image and came across as an upper class toff , so hardly a man of the people.

Mind you people seem to love Mo Farrah and he isnt anywhere near the role model that Lewis is

Imagine if Lewis punched a marshall? ...the internet would break

As for Ennis, Farah or Daley ...neither visibly hang around with Rihanna, Kanye, Pharrell or Kendrick Lamar, indeed all 3 are softly spoken & you wouldn't be surprised if you bumped into any of them in your local M&S food aisle- which tells us a lot

[travel is dangerous]

certainly it tells us where they shop.