Lewis Hamilton
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angrymoby said:
deadslow said:
Chum, I am sure these adjectives do not apply to you personally, but your analysis of this episode comes over as lazy and ignorant, like the Daily Mail.
maybe, maybe not...so what about the Guardians take?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/15/alan...
or Sky's
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/22058/9563370/the...
BBC?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
or Bernie's own autobiography?
https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/02/24/ecclestone-...
deadslow said:
Chum, you'd need to be an utter Hamoron to fail to understand that being very quick and a snide phoney little rat are not mutually exclusive 
Maybe not, but, until you post absolute proof, with sources, I shall prefer to believe Toto and the Mercedes team who think the total opposite of what you claim.deadslow said:
Mark Priestly, a senior mechanic at the time, wouldn't agree with you. He gives the most definite impression in his recent book that the McL mechanics were delighted when Kimi beat both their drivers to the WDC after the way they both dragged McL down.
I have just re read that bit in the book as I did not remember it in the same way you did, its not really what he says is it?"Incredibly, Kimi had stolen the Formula One World Title from right under McLaren's nose and I found myself feeling a strange mixture of emotions. I'd been swept along with the rollercoaster ride of the race and wanted Lewis to claw it back and complete the unbelievable story we'd all been part of. But there was also a hidden, spiteful streak in me that day; ashamedly part of me wanted both him and Fernando to have the opportunity of success snatched away from them, just as we'd had with the Constructors Title. But in the end I was gutted. There was a funeral, anti-climatic atmosphere in the garage and no one could quite believe what had just happened."
In the next paragraph "I'd become friendly with a few of the engineers working on Kimi's car and I was genuinely pleased for them. I was thrilled for Kimi too." he also mention how no one was going to celebrate Alonso's 3rd place but his conscience got the better of him and grabbed some of the mechanics to "show some support for our man".
Edited by NM62 on Friday 26th January 14:57
Edited by NM62 on Friday 26th January 14:58
Interesting article regarding reasons the British Public struggle liking Lewis
Whenever people discover I work in F1, usually the first question they ask is 'what's Lewis like?'
Now, I could explain that he is misunderstood by the majority of the British public, does admiral charity work, works hard and is a decent bloke.
But the reality is, they don't really care what I think.
They have already made up their mind, and usually it is negative -- and they are not afraid to tell me.
Why is that? One explanation is that Hamilton comes across badly in the media, and before the press are blamed, it is important to point out that Hamilton has enjoyed plenty of support from the British media throughout his career.
His route to F1 has been followed with scrutiny and, for the best part, Hamilton has enjoyed a good relationship with the British media.
There are times when results have not going his way, he comes across as sulky. Monosyllabic interviews which can be bordering on being damn right rude.
He will no doubt argue that he can hardly be pleased if he's not won a race, yet you would also not get the likes of Moss or Stewart acting in that manner.
When he was at McLaren, there were attempts to curb his character but at Mercedes, they allow him to act how he pleases, to an extent.
So long as he does not bring their brand into disrepute, they are happy, after all, brand Hamilton is nothing to do with them.
Hamilton does not have a PR person with him in the same way as Michael Schumacher and Nico Rosberg did or how Sebastian Vettel currently does.
There is no-one to bring him back into line whenever he oversteps the mark.
Instead, it often falls to social media to do that. It is a high-risk strategy but also one which can also back-fire.
Hamilton was blasted on social media over Christmas for a video he posted of his nephew wearing a princess dress.
Recognising his mistake, Hamilton apologised for his "lapse in judgement", only then appeared to "like" comments criticising the "PC brigade" against him.
It was a second, lapse in judgement, if you like but also one which illustrates how he operates with zero filter between himself and the rest of the world. He makes mistakes, and people do not forget it.
Whenever people discover I work in F1, usually the first question they ask is 'what's Lewis like?'
Now, I could explain that he is misunderstood by the majority of the British public, does admiral charity work, works hard and is a decent bloke.
But the reality is, they don't really care what I think.
They have already made up their mind, and usually it is negative -- and they are not afraid to tell me.
Why is that? One explanation is that Hamilton comes across badly in the media, and before the press are blamed, it is important to point out that Hamilton has enjoyed plenty of support from the British media throughout his career.
His route to F1 has been followed with scrutiny and, for the best part, Hamilton has enjoyed a good relationship with the British media.
There are times when results have not going his way, he comes across as sulky. Monosyllabic interviews which can be bordering on being damn right rude.
He will no doubt argue that he can hardly be pleased if he's not won a race, yet you would also not get the likes of Moss or Stewart acting in that manner.
When he was at McLaren, there were attempts to curb his character but at Mercedes, they allow him to act how he pleases, to an extent.
So long as he does not bring their brand into disrepute, they are happy, after all, brand Hamilton is nothing to do with them.
Hamilton does not have a PR person with him in the same way as Michael Schumacher and Nico Rosberg did or how Sebastian Vettel currently does.
There is no-one to bring him back into line whenever he oversteps the mark.
Instead, it often falls to social media to do that. It is a high-risk strategy but also one which can also back-fire.
Hamilton was blasted on social media over Christmas for a video he posted of his nephew wearing a princess dress.
Recognising his mistake, Hamilton apologised for his "lapse in judgement", only then appeared to "like" comments criticising the "PC brigade" against him.
It was a second, lapse in judgement, if you like but also one which illustrates how he operates with zero filter between himself and the rest of the world. He makes mistakes, and people do not forget it.
NM62 said:
deadslow said:
Mark Priestly, a senior mechanic at the time, wouldn't agree with you. He gives the most definite impression in his recent book that the McL mechanics were delighted when Kimi beat both their drivers to the WDC after the way they both dragged McL down.
I have just re read that bit in the book as I did not remember it in the same way you did, its not really what he says is it?"Incredibly, Kimi had stolen the Formula One World Title from right under McLaren's nose and I found myself feeling a strange mixture of emotions. I'd been swept along with the rollercoaster ride of the race and wanted Lewis to claw it back and complete the unbelievable story we'd all been part of. But there was also a hidden, spiteful streak in me that day; ashamedly part of me wanted both him and Fernando to have the opportunity of success snatched away from them, just as we'd had with the Constructors Title. But in the end I was gutted. There was a funeral, anti-climatic atmosphere in the garage and no one could quite believe what had just happened."
In the next paragraph "I'd become friendly with a few of the engineers working on Kimi's car and I was genuinely pleased for them. I was thrilled for Kimi too." he also mention how no one was going to celebrate Alonso's 3rd place but his conscience got the better of him and grabbed some of the mechanics to "show some support for our man".
Edited by NM62 on Friday 26th January 14:57
Edited by NM62 on Friday 26th January 14:58
Deadslow totally ignored the fact that Priestly clearly wanted Lewis to win it.
Will Deadslow respond or ignore this and try and bolster his slanted view with something else?
It’s hilarious. Jim and deadslow have to be the most genuinely sad personas on PH... I’ve been to Silverstone many a time and the British public LOVE Hamilton. Not sure how it can be seen any other way... actual driving / F1 fans love Hamilton as they recognise the supreme talent.
On top of that; I travel Europe a lot - and Hamilton is regarded, again, as a supreme talent / the best driver. International polls and U.K. polls alike state he’s the number one. Team bosses, F1 peers, the list goes on... ‘oh but look at his hair!’
What the saddos; the like of deadslow and Jim, do; is bring in all this other tripe about his persona, social media and blah blah blah women’s talk...
Hamilton is not the driver I’d most likely have a chat with down at the local; I’d pick a handful of drivers over Hamilton... but as a driver; on skill alone; I’ll maintain; he’s the best of this generation. And without ever asking for number one status; something that Alonso and Vettel have both demanded; marking their card. Hamilton has beaten both Vettel and Alonso in equal machinery. There’s no stone that he’s left unturned.
On top of that; I travel Europe a lot - and Hamilton is regarded, again, as a supreme talent / the best driver. International polls and U.K. polls alike state he’s the number one. Team bosses, F1 peers, the list goes on... ‘oh but look at his hair!’
What the saddos; the like of deadslow and Jim, do; is bring in all this other tripe about his persona, social media and blah blah blah women’s talk...
Hamilton is not the driver I’d most likely have a chat with down at the local; I’d pick a handful of drivers over Hamilton... but as a driver; on skill alone; I’ll maintain; he’s the best of this generation. And without ever asking for number one status; something that Alonso and Vettel have both demanded; marking their card. Hamilton has beaten both Vettel and Alonso in equal machinery. There’s no stone that he’s left unturned.
LDN said:
It’s hilarious. Jim and deadslow have to be the most genuinely sad personas on PH... I’ve been to Silverstone many a time and the British public LOVE Hamilton. Not sure how it can be seen any other way... actual driving / F1 fans love Hamilton as they recognise the supreme talent.
On top of that; I travel Europe a lot - and Hamilton is regarded, again, as a supreme talent / the best driver. International polls and U.K. polls alike state he’s the number one. Team bosses, F1 peers, the list goes on... ‘oh but look at his hair!’
What the saddos; the like of deadslow and Jim, do; is bring in all this other tripe about his persona, social media and blah blah blah women’s talk...
Hamilton is not the driver I’d most likely have a chat with down at the local; I’d pick a handful of drivers over Hamilton... but as a driver; on skill alone; I’ll maintain; he’s the best of this generation. And without ever asking for number one status; something that Alonso and Vettel have both demanded; marking their card. Hamilton has beaten both Vettel and Alonso in equal machinery. There’s no stone that he’s left unturned.
So why are there so many articles stating otherwise? Even sites/papers who clearly love Hamilton have articles about "why do the British public dislike Hamilton"On top of that; I travel Europe a lot - and Hamilton is regarded, again, as a supreme talent / the best driver. International polls and U.K. polls alike state he’s the number one. Team bosses, F1 peers, the list goes on... ‘oh but look at his hair!’
What the saddos; the like of deadslow and Jim, do; is bring in all this other tripe about his persona, social media and blah blah blah women’s talk...
Hamilton is not the driver I’d most likely have a chat with down at the local; I’d pick a handful of drivers over Hamilton... but as a driver; on skill alone; I’ll maintain; he’s the best of this generation. And without ever asking for number one status; something that Alonso and Vettel have both demanded; marking their card. Hamilton has beaten both Vettel and Alonso in equal machinery. There’s no stone that he’s left unturned.
As far as polls they all depend on who is writing the article. Some state Hamilton and others state other drivers including Alonso. See below
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-survey-lates...
But it is obvious Hamilton will be popular. He is the current World Champion so that alone puts him firmly in the public eye. He social media also especially when he is posting something which is not considered PC. Even negative news is news.
I would love to know where you go in Europe where their home hero is not loved ahead of Hamilton. Go to Spain and it will be Alonso. German it will be Vettel. Are you saying the Dutch prefer Hamilton over Verstappen?
Why is what I am stating tripe?
Why would you not want to have a pint with your hero? Clearly even for a fan of him sitting down for a pint with him would not be your first choice. So are you agreeing that his personality is not very popular?
As a driver he is one of the best on the 2018 grid. Away from the track you can see why he is not loved as much as you feel. 50/50 split would be about correct.
Finally it is rubbish stating Hamilton does not have number one status. He has had teammates who should not have given him any issues but they did. Rosberg was stated at the time to not be on the same level and the same with Button.
Mercedes have just stated that Bottas is perfect in the Mercedes team because he is not giving Hamilton a hard time. That is the truth however you want to look at it.
The Ferrari was good at some circuits but it was clear the Mercedes was still the car to beat. Regarding Vettel, Ricciardo destroyed him at Red bull. He is another who landed in the best car with a weak teammate.
I said that Hamilton has never demanded number one status... unlike Alonso or Vettel. And I’m right in saying that. How Mercedes want to run their team is up to them...
Hamilton is the most supported driver on the grid; not just in the U.K. but the world over. Yes, for the most part; drivers will enjoy the support of their countrymen... but Hamilton enjoys support the world over. Beyond any other driver on the grid... you want him to be unpopular; I can see that... but I’m not sure why? You should probably grow up!
As a driver; the concensus is he’s the best out there. Again, there’ll be some that disagree of course... but the general concensus is what it is. Polls, drivers, peers, stats, history; all point to that being the case.
Hamilton is the most supported driver on the grid; not just in the U.K. but the world over. Yes, for the most part; drivers will enjoy the support of their countrymen... but Hamilton enjoys support the world over. Beyond any other driver on the grid... you want him to be unpopular; I can see that... but I’m not sure why? You should probably grow up!
As a driver; the concensus is he’s the best out there. Again, there’ll be some that disagree of course... but the general concensus is what it is. Polls, drivers, peers, stats, history; all point to that being the case.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
LDN said:
It’s hilarious. Jim and deadslow have to be the most genuinely sad personas on PH... I’ve been to Silverstone many a time and the British public LOVE Hamilton. Not sure how it can be seen any other way... actual driving / F1 fans love Hamilton as they recognise the supreme talent.
On top of that; I travel Europe a lot - and Hamilton is regarded, again, as a supreme talent / the best driver. International polls and U.K. polls alike state he’s the number one. Team bosses, F1 peers, the list goes on... ‘oh but look at his hair!’
What the saddos; the like of deadslow and Jim, do; is bring in all this other tripe about his persona, social media and blah blah blah women’s talk...
Hamilton is not the driver I’d most likely have a chat with down at the local; I’d pick a handful of drivers over Hamilton... but as a driver; on skill alone; I’ll maintain; he’s the best of this generation. And without ever asking for number one status; something that Alonso and Vettel have both demanded; marking their card. Hamilton has beaten both Vettel and Alonso in equal machinery. There’s no stone that he’s left unturned.
So why are there so many articles stating otherwise? Even sites/papers who clearly love Hamilton have articles about "why do the British public dislike Hamilton"On top of that; I travel Europe a lot - and Hamilton is regarded, again, as a supreme talent / the best driver. International polls and U.K. polls alike state he’s the number one. Team bosses, F1 peers, the list goes on... ‘oh but look at his hair!’
What the saddos; the like of deadslow and Jim, do; is bring in all this other tripe about his persona, social media and blah blah blah women’s talk...
Hamilton is not the driver I’d most likely have a chat with down at the local; I’d pick a handful of drivers over Hamilton... but as a driver; on skill alone; I’ll maintain; he’s the best of this generation. And without ever asking for number one status; something that Alonso and Vettel have both demanded; marking their card. Hamilton has beaten both Vettel and Alonso in equal machinery. There’s no stone that he’s left unturned.
As far as polls they all depend on who is writing the article. Some state Hamilton and others state other drivers including Alonso. See below
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-survey-lates...
But it is obvious Hamilton will be popular. He is the current World Champion so that alone puts him firmly in the public eye. He social media also especially when he is posting something which is not considered PC. Even negative news is news.
I would love to know where you go in Europe where their home hero is not loved ahead of Hamilton. Go to Spain and it will be Alonso. German it will be Vettel. Are you saying the Dutch prefer Hamilton over Verstappen?
Why is what I am stating tripe?
Why would you not want to have a pint with your hero? Clearly even for a fan of him sitting down for a pint with him would not be your first choice. So are you agreeing that his personality is not very popular?
As a driver he is one of the best on the 2018 grid. Away from the track you can see why he is not loved as much as you feel. 50/50 split would be about correct.
Finally it is rubbish stating Hamilton does not have number one status. He has had teammates who should not have given him any issues but they did. Rosberg was stated at the time to not be on the same level and the same with Button.
Mercedes have just stated that Bottas is perfect in the Mercedes team because he is not giving Hamilton a hard time. That is the truth however you want to look at it.
The Ferrari was good at some circuits but it was clear the Mercedes was still the car to beat. Regarding Vettel, Ricciardo destroyed him at Red bull. He is another who landed in the best car with a weak teammate.
You really should be getting out a little bit more. Loser
HardtopManual said:
I'd be surprised if there a sadder, more petty, more pathetic thread on PH than this one. I can't believe it's almost at 200 pages. I wish I could hide it from the thread list when I visit the F1 forum; just seeing it makes me want to log off.
So why even post?Your adding to your own misery.
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