Lewis Hamilton
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yonex said:
paulguitar said:
Unbelievable talent and seems a genuinely decent person to me.
Either way, just appreciate the talent. We won’t have him around forever and F1 will be much more dull after he is gone.
With you on the talent but he’s clearly forgotten all those ‘non diversity team members’ that have helped him along his journey. He’s a PR disaster. Either way, just appreciate the talent. We won’t have him around forever and F1 will be much more dull after he is gone.
He hasn’t raised it in the most eloquent way but it’s something he believes and obviously some people aren’t interested, don’t want to hear it and are clueless about such things.
Lewis is damned whatever he does.
If he said nothing, towed the corporate line he’d be labelled another boring corporate robot.
Kimi, who I like, barely strings two words together, mumbles his way through interviews and is seen as cool and funny. If that was Lewis?
Damned whatever.
HustleRussell said:
There is a lack of diversity in motor racing.
Yes noticed this was in the news.He does have a point but you can't force people into F1.
Hopefully this does happen but there needs to be more focus with school children to show the opportunities in the sport.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 22 March 20:19
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Yes noticed this was in the news.
He does have a point but you can't force people into F1.
Hopefully this does happen but there needs to be more focus with school children to show the opportunities in the sport.
And of course F1 teams aren’t interested in the best talent, there’s just no agenda. He does have a point but you can't force people into F1.
Hopefully this does happen but there needs to be more focus with school children to show the opportunities in the sport.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 22 March 20:19
Brilliant!ELUSIVEJIM said:
Yes noticed this was in the news.
He does have a point but you can't force people into F1.
Hopefully this does happen but there needs to be more focus with school children to show the opportunities in the sport.
Agree with Jim shocker. It’s good it is at least being talked about. He does have a point but you can't force people into F1.
Hopefully this does happen but there needs to be more focus with school children to show the opportunities in the sport.
Edited by ELUSIVEJIM on Thursday 22 March 20:19
Diversity isn’t about giving jobs to other backgrounds to fill quotas, despite their talent level or lack thereof. It’s about letting kids from certain backgrounds know that it’s ‘ok’ to be in a certain field / pursue a certain career path. A path that might seem alien to them, as they see nobody that looks like them doing said job.
LDN said:
Agree with Jim shocker. It’s good it is at least being talked about.
Diversity isn’t about giving jobs to other backgrounds to fill quotas, despite their talent level or lack thereof. It’s about letting kids from certain backgrounds know that it’s ‘ok’ to be in a certain field / pursue a certain career path. A path that might seem alien to them, as they see nobody that looks like them doing said job.
i agree, but I think the issue is that schools don't really sell the idea of engineering to kids. Far too many aspire to qualify for very ordinary careers. My issue with Hamilton is seems to come at it from a view of race, this is a guy who avoids taxation at every turn and has made some seriously daft comments in the past. If I were him, and I really believed in the cause, I would be setting up foundations and supporting motorsport scholarships in various universities. Perhaps a lot of this goes on, if so he should push it out there. If there's one driver who needs better press, it's him.Diversity isn’t about giving jobs to other backgrounds to fill quotas, despite their talent level or lack thereof. It’s about letting kids from certain backgrounds know that it’s ‘ok’ to be in a certain field / pursue a certain career path. A path that might seem alien to them, as they see nobody that looks like them doing said job.
yonex said:
LDN said:
Agree with Jim shocker. It’s good it is at least being talked about.
Diversity isn’t about giving jobs to other backgrounds to fill quotas, despite their talent level or lack thereof. It’s about letting kids from certain backgrounds know that it’s ‘ok’ to be in a certain field / pursue a certain career path. A path that might seem alien to them, as they see nobody that looks like them doing said job.
i agree, but I think the issue is that schools don't really sell the idea of engineering to kids. Far too many aspire to qualify for very ordinary careers. My issue with Hamilton is seems to come at it from a view of race, this is a guy who avoids taxation at every turn and has made some seriously daft comments in the past. If I were him, and I really believed in the cause, I would be setting up foundations and supporting motorsport scholarships in various universities. Perhaps a lot of this goes on, if so he should push it out there. If there's one driver who needs better press, it's him.Diversity isn’t about giving jobs to other backgrounds to fill quotas, despite their talent level or lack thereof. It’s about letting kids from certain backgrounds know that it’s ‘ok’ to be in a certain field / pursue a certain career path. A path that might seem alien to them, as they see nobody that looks like them doing said job.
Re’ race as an issue: kids generally should be encouraged - I agree ... but it’s hard for people to understand that; if a work place / career path is predominantly white; then kids from other backgrounds can instinctively feel “it’s not for me”. And so; sometimes special measures / an extra push is a good thing, for them.
Could Hamilton do more with his money and power, in this regard; yes of course. It’s his prerogative though; and I think that anyone in the media eye; to be told not to comment on something unless they plan on actually backing it, with their own time and money; would be ludicrous. But I’d like to see it in this case; I agree with you.
LDN said:
For a start, he’s a PR’s wet dream... I think you have things upside down. Bose, Puma, Hilfiger are all creaming themselves at having access to LH. There’s no driver close; despite any faux pas on his part; he’s in another league entirely.
Re’ race as an issue: kids generally should be encouraged - I agree ... but it’s hard for people to understand that; if a work place / career path is predominantly white; then kids from other backgrounds can instinctively feel “it’s not for me”. And so; sometimes special measures / an extra push is a good thing, for them.
Could Hamilton do more with his money and power, in this regard; yes of course. It’s his prerogative though; and I think that anyone in the media eye; to be told not to comment on something unless they plan on actually backing it, with their own time and money; would be ludicrous. But I’d like to see it in this case; I agree with you.
The money and power Hamilton has is unfathomable, he's basically secure for life. I tend to follow motoGP more these days and I look at Rossi and see what he's doing with the ranch and his team, maybe some of it is PR for idiots like me to suck up, but I believe he genuinely is passionate about the sport. On the other hand I think Hamilton is a bit of a playboy, good on him for enjoying the spoils and all that, but I feel there is a genuine undertone to his comments, one which doesn't sit well with me. I'll agree on that he can command a lot of interest, but I feel he could be a much more positive roll model, over and above this nonsensical hashtag stuff. Imagine the coup if he announced the 'LH scholarship', taking 10-20 individuals through university, obviously a tax write off as well Re’ race as an issue: kids generally should be encouraged - I agree ... but it’s hard for people to understand that; if a work place / career path is predominantly white; then kids from other backgrounds can instinctively feel “it’s not for me”. And so; sometimes special measures / an extra push is a good thing, for them.
Could Hamilton do more with his money and power, in this regard; yes of course. It’s his prerogative though; and I think that anyone in the media eye; to be told not to comment on something unless they plan on actually backing it, with their own time and money; would be ludicrous. But I’d like to see it in this case; I agree with you.
yonex said:
LDN said:
For a start, he’s a PR’s wet dream... I think you have things upside down. Bose, Puma, Hilfiger are all creaming themselves at having access to LH. There’s no driver close; despite any faux pas on his part; he’s in another league entirely.
Re’ race as an issue: kids generally should be encouraged - I agree ... but it’s hard for people to understand that; if a work place / career path is predominantly white; then kids from other backgrounds can instinctively feel “it’s not for me”. And so; sometimes special measures / an extra push is a good thing, for them.
Could Hamilton do more with his money and power, in this regard; yes of course. It’s his prerogative though; and I think that anyone in the media eye; to be told not to comment on something unless they plan on actually backing it, with their own time and money; would be ludicrous. But I’d like to see it in this case; I agree with you.
The money and power Hamilton has is unfathomable, he's basically secure for life. I tend to follow motoGP more these days and I look at Rossi and see what he's doing with the ranch and his team, maybe some of it is PR for idiots like me to suck up, but I believe he genuinely is passionate about the sport. On the other hand I think Hamilton is a bit of a playboy, good on him for enjoying the spoils and all that, but I feel there is a genuine undertone to his comments, one which doesn't sit well with me. I'll agree on that he can command a lot of interest, but I feel he could be a much more positive roll model, over and above this nonsensical hashtag stuff. Imagine the coup if he announced the 'LH scholarship', taking 10-20 individuals through university, obviously a tax write off as well Re’ race as an issue: kids generally should be encouraged - I agree ... but it’s hard for people to understand that; if a work place / career path is predominantly white; then kids from other backgrounds can instinctively feel “it’s not for me”. And so; sometimes special measures / an extra push is a good thing, for them.
Could Hamilton do more with his money and power, in this regard; yes of course. It’s his prerogative though; and I think that anyone in the media eye; to be told not to comment on something unless they plan on actually backing it, with their own time and money; would be ludicrous. But I’d like to see it in this case; I agree with you.
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yonex said:
The money and power Hamilton has is unfathomable, he's basically secure for life. I tend to follow motoGP more these days and I look at Rossi and see what he's doing with the ranch and his team, maybe some of it is PR for idiots like me to suck up, but I believe he genuinely is passionate about the sport. On the other hand I think Hamilton is a bit of a playboy, good on him for enjoying the spoils and all that, but I feel there is a genuine undertone to his comments, one which doesn't sit well with me. I'll agree on that he can command a lot of interest, but I feel he could be a much more positive roll model, over and above this nonsensical hashtag stuff. Imagine the coup if he announced the 'LH scholarship', taking 10-20 individuals through university, obviously a tax write off as well
Haha; the tax write off might be what swings it!In all seriousness though; Hamilton employs accountants to save him tax. I do the same; many people do it. How many drivers based themselves in Monaco? From way back... to Coulthard to Button, the list goes on.
paulguitar said:
Jim Clarke lived in Bermuda and Paris, Jackie Steward in Switzerland. Any singling out of Hamilton for this sort of thing is indefensible.
Agreed. I find it bizarre that Hamilton gets so much stick for this... drivers have done the same from day dot, and whilst they also have gotten a fair amount of stick; Hamilton never seems to shake the stigma. Very odd. yonex said:
The money and power Hamilton has is unfathomable, he's basically secure for life. I tend to follow motoGP more these days and I look at Rossi and see what he's doing with the ranch and his team, maybe some of it is PR for idiots like me to suck up, but I believe he genuinely is passionate about the sport. On the other hand I think Hamilton is a bit of a playboy, good on him for enjoying the spoils and all that, but I feel there is a genuine undertone to his comments, one which doesn't sit well with me. I'll agree on that he can command a lot of interest, but I feel he could be a much more positive roll model, over and above this nonsensical hashtag stuff. Imagine the coup if he announced the 'LH scholarship', taking 10-20 individuals through university, obviously a tax write off as well
A few post above you criticise Hamilton for tax evasion then you mention Rossi... I Hope that this is some kind of humour?
You clearly don't know much about Rossi Motogp history. He is a total idiot with most of his team mates and turn the team against them. Not many riders like him when behind closed doors.
Don't get me wrong, the only reason why I watch Motogp is because Rossi. He is a supreme talent but outside Motogp... No thanks.
E34-3.2 said:
A few post above you criticise Hamilton for tax evasion then you mention Rossi... I Hope that this is some kind of humour?
You clearly don't know much about Rossi Motogp history. He is a total idiot with most of his team mates and turn the team against them. Not many riders like him when behind closed doors.
Don't get me wrong, the only reason why I watch Motogp is because Rossi. He is a supreme talent but outside Motogp... No thanks.
I think Hamilton has a valid point. It’s not that they don’t wa t to - or would be forced - but that kids of BAME backgrounds should be encouraged that they CAN. That it is for them if they want.
And whilst I know the white middle class back bone of pistonheads doesn’t see it - but for many these barriers are real - just because it’s mental it doesn’t make it less real.
Especially when one does pop up in a role and they are dismissed as tokenism* - see any comment in NPE about the BBC or a Muslim doing reasonably well in bake off - that all just exacerbates it.
Now when he said stewards were picking on him ‘maybe it’s because I is black’ -That was playing the race card. But he was a silly young man still in those days.
And whilst I know the white middle class back bone of pistonheads doesn’t see it - but for many these barriers are real - just because it’s mental it doesn’t make it less real.
Especially when one does pop up in a role and they are dismissed as tokenism* - see any comment in NPE about the BBC or a Muslim doing reasonably well in bake off - that all just exacerbates it.
- drivers are slightly different as they are front and centre
Now when he said stewards were picking on him ‘maybe it’s because I is black’ -That was playing the race card. But he was a silly young man still in those days.
yonex said:
Hamilton doesn’t belong in the same sentence IMO. I don’t think Rossi has ever played the race card, launched his own team and seems to have a fair few current riders at his ranch? I’m not sure how you can justify he’s a ‘total idiot’ but then I suppose my view that I’d rather see anyone but Hamilton win an F1 race is just as much of a personal take on things. It is also quite odd that someone within motorsport, who knew many people had nothing good to say about him. Again one mans villain is another’s hero. He’s just not a popular chap. My original point was him moaning about diversity yet not seemingly doing anything about it, when all everyone wanted to do was discuss the season just seems a bit strange.
Interesting, not sure who is your someone who knows many people in motorsports who doesn't know anyone who can say anything good about him. I am very happy to challenge that person. We might know the same people. Not sure why Rossi would play the race card!?
Rossi like to complain about his team mates and his bikes. they all do at one stage. but when Hamilton does it... he is a winger.
Hamilton not popular. are we talking about the most recognise f1 driver of the current grid and the most recognise f1 driver of all time recognise in the US? Not a single F1 driver had more TV time than Ham in the US.
when you say he is not doing anything about race. He talks about it and that is a very powerful message which many big corporations don't like. the power of words are stronger than many actions.
I enjoy seeing him racing and that what matters the most, exactly like Rossi.
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