Lewis Hamilton

[norush]

travel is dangerous said:

given that he's a racing driver is that relevant to his ability as a racing driver?

It's like saying 'I'd vote for teresa may, but she's not very good at table tennis is she?'

Good grief, what are you smoking?!

[anonymous-user]

Exige77 said:

All the above have finished their careers. Lewis hasn’t yet so we probably needs to wait until he Hangs up bid helmet to have that discussion and make it a fair one.

I think he’s already achieved enough to be up there with the best of the best.

True, they have, and he hasn't. I wouldn't rely on stats to prove greatness, though. Alonso is certainly up there with Hamilton and co, but the stats don't support it.

Arguably being in the right car at the right time is a skill in itself, though that can be better luck than judgement. If Ferrari had been the ones with the engine above all others from 2014-17, Alonso could now have been a 6 time DWC, for example.

Hamilton a tad lucky to keep his hard-fought win today, too. Could very easily have gone the other way.

[travel is dangerous]

johnwilliams77 said:

travel is dangerous said:

given that he's a racing driver is that relevant to his ability as a racing driver?

It's like saying 'I'd vote for teresa may, but she's not very good at table tennis is she?'

Are you just here to argue with people?

No... but when people's reasoning is so clearly faulty or irrelevant it's hard not to point it out. In a discussion as to who is the better racing driver, exactly how relevant is the behaviour, away from the track, of the competitors that you're comparing to each other?

[norush]

travel is dangerous said:

No... but when people's reasoning is so clearly faulty or irrelevant it's hard not to point it out. In a discussion as to who is the better racing driver, exactly how relevant is the behaviour, away from the track, of the competitors that you're comparing to each other?

Go back and read the original post; it's a discussion about Hamilton and his immature and petulant attitude.

[Gary C]

norush said:

travel is dangerous said:

given that he's a racing driver is that relevant to his ability as a racing driver?

It's like saying 'I'd vote for teresa may, but she's not very good at table tennis is she?'

Good grief, what are you smoking?!

His point was valid, if not the subject

Hamilton is odd, I do like they way he seems to want to celebrate with the fans rather than win>podium>conference>ps off home, but then he has a bad one and sulks. But as said, he is a bloody good driver so who cares.

Classic year so far.

[anonymous-user]

General Price said:

fakenews said:

How naive.He's the best driver in the best car.

He doesn't drive a Ferrari.

Its not certain that the Ferrari is the best car. It may well have the edge on power in some circumstances but overall the Merc is likely still the best seat.

I don’t believe Bottas would be able to compete with Vettel without a better car. Hamilton in a good mood, yes, but not Bottas.

In any event the evidence shows they’re very close and it’s down to who makes the fewer mistakes.

[LDN]

Hill and Brundle both said the Ferrari have stolen a march and have the better car now.

Not much debate to be had; Mercedes will hopefully close the gap and be back even.

[LDN]

johnwilliams77 said:

travel is dangerous said:

given that he's a racing driver is that relevant to his ability as a racing driver?

It's like saying 'I'd vote for teresa may, but she's not very good at table tennis is she?'

Are you just here to argue with people?

He’s right through... if there are grown men who’d like to discuss Hamilton’s dress sense; there’ll be better websites for that; I am sure

[mybrainhurts]

LDN said:

He’s right through... if there are grown men who’d like to discuss Hamilton’s dress sense; there’ll be better websites for that; I am sure

Nah, we need a bit of comedy hereabouts. It's been on the wane for ages. Progressives don't like humour.

[Evangelion]

From what I've seen he doesn't seem to have any dress sense to discuss.

[e30m3Mark]

''Love conquers all''

[ukaskew]

Gary C said:

Hamilton is odd, I do like they way he seems to want to celebrate with the fans rather than win>podium>conference>ps off home, but then he has a bad one and sulks.

...and at his last bad one he did indeed sulk, but still put plenty of time in with the fans after, just much of it wasn't on telly.

I'd love to know if Vettel took the time to visit the crowds in the stands today after the race, or do a couple of open interview sessions with anyone who wanted to come along. If he did, fair play.

[toastyhamster]

I really want to like Ham, but I just can't (beyond patriotism), his sulks and general lifestyle just aren't endearing. I'm also not a fan of "the finger" Vettel, despite his obviously cool choice of classic motorbikes etc which match my tastes.

I know nice guys usually finish last but Button (one WC!) and Ricciardo seem to be quick without being an asshole, would love Redbull to come good while he's still there.

Like an earlier poster, I have massively changed my opinion on Alonso, team politics aside he just seems to love racing and more than that, loves everything involved with it.

Probably being fooled by some media spin, but there we go.

[Graveworm]

fakenews said:

How naive. He's the best driver in the best car. You can get all teary eyed and wk into your Hamilton branded socks but the guy is a complete douche with an attitude that stinks. His meltdown (the one yesterday, there have been many) came after signing a new £40M/year contract to drive the fastest car on the grid - gratitude and maturity escape him, especially when he doesn't get what he wants.

The ridiculous thing is that I was once a complete Hamilton fan and hated Alonso. Having ignored the British press (Brundle and Coulthard can also do one) and seen Alonso's attempts in different disciplines, this view has completely switched around (Fernando has matured whilst Lewis has gone backwards).

Alonso is perhaps the most complete driver we've ever seen, his results in the McLaren outshine any easy Mercedes win. His dedication to racing is total, just look at what Alonso has been doing during his weekends off (teaching rising stars at his cart track, Indycar, Le Mans etc) and then look at Hamilton, hanging out with the Kardashians whilst dressed like a dhead. Lewis's craft can be compared to that of Heinz-Harald Frentzen, the difference between the two being one got Eddie Jordan, the other Toto...

I am curious if you could tell us about how you coped with winning 4 F1 world titles with 2 manufacturers and leading the current championship? Was it hard having everything you do analysed and being in a constant media spotlight? How did it compare to when you put in the most dominant ever performance in F3 (Where the cars make very little difference and when you were racing Vettel?). Since most people, who have walked the walk and driven the cars rate Hamilton as a driver is it OK if I value their opinion ahead of yours?

Edited by Graveworm on Sunday 22 July 20:48

[Jonesy23]

His reactions are really swinging high and low these days, never used to be like that.

[Gary C]

ukaskew said:

Gary C said:

Hamilton is odd, I do like they way he seems to want to celebrate with the fans rather than win>podium>conference>ps off home, but then he has a bad one and sulks.

...and at his last bad one he did indeed sulk, but still put plenty of time in with the fans after, just much of it wasn't on telly.

I'd love to know if Vettel took the time to visit the crowds in the stands today after the race, or do a couple of open interview sessions with anyone who wanted to come along. If he did, fair play.

Which race was it when there was no running due to rain in practice or qualifying. All the other drivers were tucked up, and Hamilton was out and about waving to the spectators.

Simple thing but a nice touch.

But then that love wins comment, yuck

[E34-3.2]

LDN said:

Hill and Brundle both said the Ferrari have stolen a march and have the better car now.

Not much debate to be had; Mercedes will hopefully close the gap and be back even.

100%, for someone to say that the Ferrari is not the best car, not sure what they are watching.

I think that since the beginning of the season, the Ferrari is 0.2sec faster than the Mercedes. The only race were Mercedes was faster was French Gp. there is a good article on James Allen website about it if I remember rightly.

[fakenews]

Graveworm said:

I am curious if you could tell us about how you coped with winning 4 F1 world titles with 2 manufacturers and leading the current championship? Was it hard having everything you do analysed and being in a constant media spotlight? How did it compare to when you put in the most dominant ever performance in F3 (Where the cars make very little difference and when you were racing Vettel?). Since most people, who have walked the walk and driven the cars rate Hamilton as a driver is it OK if I value their opinion ahead of yours?

I never had the car...

I have one testicle (DFS furniture incident explained elsewhere on here - my own fault) yet haven't cried about it - Lewis finishes 2nd in a race where he fked up the start, sulks following the race and then calls his competitors cheats. He's not doing doing anything right except occasionally driving the fastest (this year) car to easy wins. As for past history, are you going to include the fact Rosberg beat him to the WDC (almost twice)? The fact he threw away a championship with Alonso. Was gifted one against Massa? Gifted the victory today by Bottas too...

Re fans, some of you might want to see what Alonso did this weekend with one of his fans. Incredible scenes Hamilton couldn't hope to stage...I mean replicate. He couldn't give a stuff about his fans or his country, his actions have shown as much and he's as genuine as my Burberry y-fronts. He just wants attention.

You need to be more objective. He's had the series to himself the past few years and F1 has suffered because of it. He's never going to be a Senna, Prost, Clark, Schumacher or Alonso. He can be a Mansell if he wants, another over-rated Englishman who accrued stats through luck.

[HustleRussell]

E34-3.2 said:

100%, for someone to say that the Ferrari is not the best car, not sure what they are watching.

[swisstoni]

Not even worth arguing with.