Lewis Hamilton
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InductionRoar said:
Exige77 said:
What about the extra downforce the RB has ? How much are you going to take off for that ?
Are you serious?cb1965 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Rosberg was good, really bloody good. In a parallel universe I could imagine ROS being a multiple world champion had HAM not joined the team.
This ^^^^ Something I have been telling anyone who will listen for a very long time.
a8hex said:
cb1965 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Rosberg was good, really bloody good. In a parallel universe I could imagine ROS being a multiple world champion had HAM not joined the team.
This ^^^^ Something I have been telling anyone who will listen for a very long time.a8hex said:
The same with Alonso, I feel really sorry for him, He comes along, proves that Schumacher can be beaten even with a car which was probably not as good as the Ferrari. Moves to a more completive team and gets teamed up with some PFY who just happens to be LH who happens to start beating him. How many more titles would Alonso have had in a parallel universe.
Alonso's issue was himself or his management.Leaving Ferrari was his downfall.
But he is still IMO the best overall driver on the F1 grid.
I had to bit my tongue saturday when an friend posted on facebook
"why is it the Lewis Hamilton show every time i turn on F1 recently? Vettel was only 0.5s behind him, its practically nothing, wish everyone would stop licking his arse"
Some people just dont get it!
0.5s is months of car development or can be the difference between a driver at the limit for a whole and another going just over it for 1 corner.
"why is it the Lewis Hamilton show every time i turn on F1 recently? Vettel was only 0.5s behind him, its practically nothing, wish everyone would stop licking his arse"
Some people just dont get it!
0.5s is months of car development or can be the difference between a driver at the limit for a whole and another going just over it for 1 corner.
RB Will said:
"well Ham is on the racing line its his corner, fair enough to nudge him out" where this weekend we had the Force India incident and the comments were that the guy on the inside on the racing line, whose corner it was should have given room.
you do realise the difference between a wall & a run off, yeah?angrymoby said:
you do realise the difference between a wall & a run off, yeah?
What is the difference, the outcome is still wrecking their race and putting them in danger when they don't deserve it. Doesn't matter if its on a corner or a straight or if the track is lined with concrete walls, run off, gravel, grass or fluffy pillows its still a dick move.I think safe run off is the reason it happens so much. If the consequence of being run off was race ending in the gravel or a wall then drivers would do the right thing and just not move over. The people forcing others wide would soon learn its s
tty behaviour when they have had a few crashes.I'm not saying safe run off should be taken away but that pushing someone off on a corner should be punished the same way as on a straight.
kambites said:
InductionRoar said:
It was said on the C4 coverage that "somebody" had calculated that if you factor in the power deficit the Red Bull suffers to the Mercedes Max's lap would have been a tenth quicker. Not to be sniffed at.
I thought they said a tenth slower, but yes Max's lap was also enormously impressive. The Redbull has a better chassis than the Mercedes on twisty circuits as well. Even more impressive from Hamilton to destroy 2 teams with better suited cars for that track.
RB Will said:
What is the difference, the outcome is still wrecking their race and putting them in danger when they don't deserve it. Doesn't matter if its on a corner or a straight or if the track is lined with concrete walls, run off, gravel, grass or fluffy pillows its still a dick move.
I think safe run off is the reason it happens so much. If the consequence of being run off was race ending in the gravel or a wall then drivers would do the right thing and just not move over. The people forcing others wide would soon learn its stty behaviour when they have had a few crashes.
I'm not saying safe run off should be taken away but that pushing someone off on a corner should be punished the same way as on a straight.
It’s a discussion that’s been had so many times. The vast majority of passes need one driver to put the other into a position where they have to yield. It’s a subtle part of race craft that some never master and others do. I think safe run off is the reason it happens so much. If the consequence of being run off was race ending in the gravel or a wall then drivers would do the right thing and just not move over. The people forcing others wide would soon learn its s
tty behaviour when they have had a few crashes.I'm not saying safe run off should be taken away but that pushing someone off on a corner should be punished the same way as on a straight.
Lewis is very, very good at placing his car so he is in control of the outcome... far enough along side, on the right line (and trajectory) etc etc. He’s not unique, others can do it too, but forcing the pass and putting the other driver in the position where it will be their fault if they come together becaus they have lost control of the line is an essential part of race craft.
It’s a part of racecraft that Nico (as an example) never really got his head around. Remember turning left instead of right.... Did he really think that was the same as taking the apex and running a natural line to the exit? ... Some very talented drivers never work this out.
I do honestly struggle to think of amazing Hamilton drives other than the Turkey GP2 race.
But then, I get my racing kicks elsewhere these days thank goodness. I am not saying he is not great.
Just that to me, there are a few others that have done things that made me go wow.
Neither Vettel or Hamilton have done that quite honestly
But that is not perhaps ALL their fault.
But then, I get my racing kicks elsewhere these days thank goodness. I am not saying he is not great.
Just that to me, there are a few others that have done things that made me go wow.
Neither Vettel or Hamilton have done that quite honestly
But that is not perhaps ALL their fault.
chunder27 said:
I cant think of one amazing Lewis drive other than the GP2 Turkey race. I just can't stand his manner, his smugness and his petulant attitude and seemingly dumb "you tell me what to do always" attitude to his team, or the false thanking the fans and team and a calm and controlled way like his PR is telling him to do it, just so false.
We are in a golden age of F1. People will talk about this and recent seasons for years to come as the 'real seasons'. It will be a deserved accolade. Much of it is down to Hamilton. But this seems nothing to you because he's smug. It doesn't leave many successful F1 drivers of recent years for you to appreciate. His driving is sublime. I'm certain we all miss the subtleties. Come to that, I think dramatic, hail Mary passes might be something that is less frequent the better one gets.
We are lucky to be able to see the last few seasons free to air.
chunder27 said:
I do honestly struggle to think of amazing Hamilton drives other than the Turkey GP2 race.
But then, I get my racing kicks elsewhere these days thank goodness. I am not saying he is not great.
Just that to me, there are a few others that have done things that made me go wow.
Neither Vettel or Hamilton have done that quite honestly
But that is not perhaps ALL their fault.
Wow,But then, I get my racing kicks elsewhere these days thank goodness. I am not saying he is not great.
Just that to me, there are a few others that have done things that made me go wow.
Neither Vettel or Hamilton have done that quite honestly
But that is not perhaps ALL their fault.
Let’s start with Hamilton’s first win in his 6th F1 start, Canada 2007.
Pole, and never lost position, including 4 safety car restarts, let’s also KIV it was his 6th podium in 6 races.
Deesee said:
chunder27 said:
I do honestly struggle to think of amazing Hamilton drives other than the Turkey GP2 race.
But then, I get my racing kicks elsewhere these days thank goodness. I am not saying he is not great.
Just that to me, there are a few others that have done things that made me go wow.
Neither Vettel or Hamilton have done that quite honestly
But that is not perhaps ALL their fault.
Wow,But then, I get my racing kicks elsewhere these days thank goodness. I am not saying he is not great.
Just that to me, there are a few others that have done things that made me go wow.
Neither Vettel or Hamilton have done that quite honestly
But that is not perhaps ALL their fault.
Let’s start with Hamilton’s first win in his 6th F1 start, Canada 2007.
Pole, and never lost position, including 4 safety car restarts, let’s also KIV it was his 6th podium in 6 races.
Europa1 said:
Deesee said:
chunder27 said:
I do honestly struggle to think of amazing Hamilton drives other than the Turkey GP2 race.
But then, I get my racing kicks elsewhere these days thank goodness. I am not saying he is not great.
Just that to me, there are a few others that have done things that made me go wow.
Neither Vettel or Hamilton have done that quite honestly
But that is not perhaps ALL their fault.
Wow,But then, I get my racing kicks elsewhere these days thank goodness. I am not saying he is not great.
Just that to me, there are a few others that have done things that made me go wow.
Neither Vettel or Hamilton have done that quite honestly
But that is not perhaps ALL their fault.
Let’s start with Hamilton’s first win in his 6th F1 start, Canada 2007.
Pole, and never lost position, including 4 safety car restarts, let’s also KIV it was his 6th podium in 6 races.
RB Will said:
What is the difference, the outcome is still wrecking their race and putting them in danger when they don't deserve it. Doesn't matter if its on a corner or a straight or if the track is lined with concrete walls, run off, gravel, grass or fluffy pillows its still a dick move.
well, it kind of does ...one will wreck their (potentially) life/ car/ race, the other just their track position& it's also dependent on the guy on the inside not being on the limit of adhesion ...i'd argue Perez was not (& Szafnauer agrees & he'd kinda know)
RB Will said:
I'm not saying safe run off should be taken away but that pushing someone off on a corner should be punished the same way as on a straight.
how would you police that, bearing in mind 'racing line' & 'limit of adhesion' above? I'd also argue it would be pretty boring as defending position would be greatly reduceddon't forget those with a bit of race craft can also use it to their advantage ...see those drivers who are masters of the switch back
only time i'd like to see something enforced, is when a driver has no intention of letting the guy behind past, to the point they completely ignore the racing line & apex ...& force the following competitor off track (usually along with themselves) NOW that is a dick move
Edited by angrymoby on Monday 17th September 18:34
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