Lewis Hamilton
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Mr. White said:
Sa Calobra said:
Max isn't the next Lewis. He's already had 77 starts, 4 wins but isn't a multiple champ in the making.
Yet he's still one year younger than Lewis was when he joined F1. How would Lewis have done in F1 as a teenager/early 20's between 2003-2006?I think perhaps it would have been a lot better for Max to have come into F1 a bit later than he did. Whilst undoubtedly having enormous potential, he has quickly developed a reputation for being reckless and seemingly he’s not learning from, or even accepting, his mistakes.
He is still very young, but I suspect teams such as Mercedes and Ferrari have already seen enough to not be too tempted to take him on unless he does a lot of growing up.
Max is an interesting conundrum.
Blisteringly fast but a bloody minded liability as well.
In a way he’s the ideal Red Bull driver. No need to worry about a WDC campaign because there isn’t the possibility. But fast enough to put the cat amongst the pigeons with the big teams on occasion.
If he was in a title capable car I’m sure he could return a WDC. But then so could several drivers, without the inevitable drama. Ricciardo for example.
Blisteringly fast but a bloody minded liability as well.
In a way he’s the ideal Red Bull driver. No need to worry about a WDC campaign because there isn’t the possibility. But fast enough to put the cat amongst the pigeons with the big teams on occasion.
If he was in a title capable car I’m sure he could return a WDC. But then so could several drivers, without the inevitable drama. Ricciardo for example.
sparta6 said:
Sa Calobra said:
Max isn't the next Lewis. He's already had 77 starts, 4 wins but isn't a multiple champ in the making.
Time will tell.But he won't be the next Lewis, he will be his own man.
There's a bit of reckless Gilles Villeneuve about him which I like, and attention to detail similar to Mika.
Did someone mention a touch of ruthlessness too ?
Edited by sparta6 on Monday 8th October 20:25
swisstoni said:
Max is an interesting conundrum.
Blisteringly fast but a bloody minded liability as well.
In a way he’s the ideal Red Bull driver. No need to worry about a WDC campaign because there isn’t the possibility. But fast enough to put the cat amongst the pigeons with the big teams on occasion.
If he was in a title capable car I’m sure he could return a WDC. But then so could several drivers, without the inevitable drama. Ricciardo for example.
He has come second to Ricciardo every season, in the same car, even if you discount the races he was at Toro Rosso and the one more retirement he had in 2017. He would be behind this season, were it not for retirements, and was behind prior to Danny Ric's retirement announcement. Conversely, DR left Toro Rosso and outscored a 4 time world champion in his first year. So I think that, were it not for subjectivity and youth, Max would not be the one we would be thinking might be the equal of Hamilton in the same car. Blisteringly fast but a bloody minded liability as well.
In a way he’s the ideal Red Bull driver. No need to worry about a WDC campaign because there isn’t the possibility. But fast enough to put the cat amongst the pigeons with the big teams on occasion.
If he was in a title capable car I’m sure he could return a WDC. But then so could several drivers, without the inevitable drama. Ricciardo for example.
The comparison between Max and Lewis is an interesting one.
Lewis came to F1 having benefited from years of Mclaren 'tutelage' and some very good experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a young man.
Max went through the Red Bull Junior programme and arrived having had less experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a 'boy'.
I've long thought Max should have spent a couple more years in F2 before progressing. He's clearly special but I agree with the comparison made to Gilles Villeneuve - fantastic to watch, a great racer but not necessarily WDC material...at least multiple titles.
Lewis came to F1 having benefited from years of Mclaren 'tutelage' and some very good experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a young man.
Max went through the Red Bull Junior programme and arrived having had less experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a 'boy'.
I've long thought Max should have spent a couple more years in F2 before progressing. He's clearly special but I agree with the comparison made to Gilles Villeneuve - fantastic to watch, a great racer but not necessarily WDC material...at least multiple titles.
StevieBee said:
The comparison between Max and Lewis is an interesting one.
Lewis came to F1 having benefited from years of Mclaren 'tutelage' and some very good experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a young man.
Max went through the Red Bull Junior programme and arrived having had less experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a 'boy'.
I've long thought Max should have spent a couple more years in F2 before progressing. He's clearly special but I agree with the comparison made to Gilles Villeneuve - fantastic to watch, a great racer but not necessarily WDC material...at least multiple titles.
I don't think you can compare Max and Lewis fairly right now because of age. Lewis came to F1 having benefited from years of Mclaren 'tutelage' and some very good experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a young man.
Max went through the Red Bull Junior programme and arrived having had less experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a 'boy'.
I've long thought Max should have spent a couple more years in F2 before progressing. He's clearly special but I agree with the comparison made to Gilles Villeneuve - fantastic to watch, a great racer but not necessarily WDC material...at least multiple titles.
Max is still very young. IMO, the attitude is there because of the fact he is still young. I know I was a lot more arrogant at that age than I am now!
Look at Lewis and his early years, the tantrums, the letting emotion overcome reason, it's similar to how Max is now. Lewis has only really begun to nail the mental aspects of racing in the past few years, I think the Rosberg battles helped firm that up. It's also what makes Lewis the best driver, potentially, ever. He has the ability to identify weaknesses and has worked to eradicate them one by one.
If Max can develop himself over the next 5 years in the same way then he has all the makings of a true WDC, decent car permitting of course.
StevieBee said:
The comparison between Max and Lewis is an interesting one.
Lewis came to F1 having benefited from years of Mclaren 'tutelage' and some very good experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a young man.
Max went through the Red Bull Junior programme and arrived having had less experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a 'boy'.
I've long thought Max should have spent a couple more years in F2 before progressing. He's clearly special but I agree with the comparison made to Gilles Villeneuve - fantastic to watch, a great racer but not necessarily WDC material...at least multiple titles.
Lewis also had the benefit of the unlimited testing era as well, so had been pounding around in proper F1 cars for a long time before getting a race seat. He was very well prepared and since the testing ban, no new driver is ever going to have had quite that level of preparation.Lewis came to F1 having benefited from years of Mclaren 'tutelage' and some very good experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a young man.
Max went through the Red Bull Junior programme and arrived having had less experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a 'boy'.
I've long thought Max should have spent a couple more years in F2 before progressing. He's clearly special but I agree with the comparison made to Gilles Villeneuve - fantastic to watch, a great racer but not necessarily WDC material...at least multiple titles.
That is not to take anything away from Lewis though, plenty of others had benefited from that sort of prep and I can't remember any having made the same impact he did.
Max is something special. He's far from the polished article at this point, but he's made the biggest impact by far since Lewis hit the series IMHO. When he gets a car that can win championships, he'll do it. He's too fast and too good a racer not to.
A Lewis Vs Max battle in decent machinery would be great to see, as would Ricciardo in the mix too. Those are the 3 drivers I have the most time for in F1 at the moment.
IforB said:
Max is something special. He's far from the polished article at this point, but he's made the biggest impact by far since Lewis hit the series IMHO. When he gets a car that can win championships, he'll do it. He's too fast and too good a racer not to.
Agree 100% with everything you say apart from "when he gets a car that can". I think that's an "if". I'm not sure I can see him at Merc or Ferrari until he addresses his general approach. I worry that he's boxing himself into a corner where its only RedBull that he will be accepted and supported by.IforB said:
StevieBee said:
Max went through the Red Bull Junior programme and arrived having had less experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a 'boy'.
As to a comparison to Hamilton, that'll only be told over time. Whilst Verstappen is shinning a bit at the moment, he's the only one of his generation in a top car at the moment. Let's see how he looks when Ocon is in a Merc and Leclerc gets his backside in the Ferrari and Gasly becomes his team mate. I think Verstappen's life will get more difficult very quickly.
I'd be quite happy to see Vettel and Bottas replaced...... they're both spent forces unfortunately. Vettel continues to show his fragile mind. Danny Ric has given up for the remainder of the year.... All of this is making Max look good.
Edited by super7 on Tuesday 9th October 10:15
Hungrymc said:
IforB said:
Max is something special. He's far from the polished article at this point, but he's made the biggest impact by far since Lewis hit the series IMHO. When he gets a car that can win championships, he'll do it. He's too fast and too good a racer not to.
Agree 100% with everything you say apart from "when he gets a car that can". I think that's an "if". I'm not sure I can see him at Merc or Ferrari until he addresses his general approach. I worry that he's boxing himself into a corner where its only RedBull that he will be accepted and supported by.I'm also not going to write off Red Bull ending up with a championship challenging car either. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Honda may pull something out of the bag and their chassis is always pretty decent. Honda have made a meal of things so far, but nothing is impossible, just improbable!
StevieBee said:
The comparison between Max and Lewis is an interesting one.
Lewis came to F1 having benefited from years of Mclaren 'tutelage' and some very good experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a young man.
Max went through the Red Bull Junior programme and arrived having had less experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a 'boy'.
I've long thought Max should have spent a couple more years in F2 before progressing. He's clearly special but I agree with the comparison made to Gilles Villeneuve - fantastic to watch, a great racer but not necessarily WDC material...at least multiple titles.
I actually think Max is doing fine, even by the standard of Lewis - which is quite something. I think people forget the amount of incidents and criticism Lewis had in his earlier years and the way he handled the media too at that. Max has had an expensive education, but much of it you won't get to the same extent outside F1 and he'll be well placed in the next few years, given the right car.Lewis came to F1 having benefited from years of Mclaren 'tutelage' and some very good experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a young man.
Max went through the Red Bull Junior programme and arrived having had less experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a 'boy'.
I've long thought Max should have spent a couple more years in F2 before progressing. He's clearly special but I agree with the comparison made to Gilles Villeneuve - fantastic to watch, a great racer but not necessarily WDC material...at least multiple titles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MshdLhvTmoQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOtHoI8Afx0
ajprice said:
Still a better love story than Twilight
Fair play to him. You can see he's actually a compassionate bloke, rather than the "win at all costs and then burn their house down just to make sure" types we are more used to in F1.Mind you, it's easy to be magnanimous when you have given someone an absolute spanking!
super7 said:
IforB said:
StevieBee said:
Max went through the Red Bull Junior programme and arrived having had less experience in the junior formulae. As a result, he arrived in F1 as a 'boy'.
At the same time, could be genuine. He'll remember this from when Seb was leading:
https://youtu.be/aAR-_loNDeU
https://youtu.be/aAR-_loNDeU
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