Lewis Hamilton
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Deesee said:
Not quite the refs and assistants often make the wrong call, and it can cost victories/trophy’s.
The penalty’s in f1 have to be like this, a fine of even 1mill £ means nothing, Merc have invested several 100’s of millions in the engine alone, to put a new engine in at every race for a £ fine they would bite your hand off.
The only thing I could think off is making them pit more than once (so say minimum two pit stops for engine change, 3 for engine and gearbox) race strategy’s then get a bit mixed and you would see perhaps closer racing through the race.
In F1 we get decisions and penalties after the race ! WTF ?The penalty’s in f1 have to be like this, a fine of even 1mill £ means nothing, Merc have invested several 100’s of millions in the engine alone, to put a new engine in at every race for a £ fine they would bite your hand off.
The only thing I could think off is making them pit more than once (so say minimum two pit stops for engine change, 3 for engine and gearbox) race strategy’s then get a bit mixed and you would see perhaps closer racing through the race.
Deduction of WCC points would also be useful for manufacturing faults.
Deesee said:
They had satisfied themselves there was no wrong doing.
Tv figures yep they are down, but sponsorships up, Number of GP’s up, investment up, racing best I known.
Forbes: “F1 Sponsorship Growth Crashes To 10-Year Low“Tv figures yep they are down, but sponsorships up, Number of GP’s up, investment up, racing best I known.
...and it’s a tiny amount compared with TV revenues which are under threat due to falling viewng figures.
The largest contribution to revenue still comes from the fees for hosting a race, which we all know are being questioned by several venues, hence the seemingly desperate search for others, Hanoi being one such.
As for ‘racing best I known’ (sic) one can only assume you’re quite young but that another discussion.
REALIST123 said:
Deesee said:
They had satisfied themselves there was no wrong doing.
Tv figures yep they are down, but sponsorships up, Number of GP’s up, investment up, racing best I known.
Forbes: “F1 Sponsorship Growth Crashes To 10-Year Low“Tv figures yep they are down, but sponsorships up, Number of GP’s up, investment up, racing best I known.
...and it’s a tiny amount compared with TV revenues which are under threat due to falling viewng figures.
The largest contribution to revenue still comes from the fees for hosting a race, which we all know are being questioned by several venues, hence the seemingly desperate search for others, Hanoi being one such.
As for ‘racing best I known’ (sic) one can only assume you’re quite young but that another discussion.
The partner deals are what they are looking to grow, hosting fees are perhaps already too high for some events, or are some of the events too concentrated geographically.
Spa/Hockenheim/Nurburgring (5 hours drive of each other)
Monza/Monaco/Paul Ricard ( 6 hours drive of each other)
Circuits paying competing to pay hosting fees while attracting the same people geographically ( not great promotion sense imo).
Have been watching since 1987 attending since 1996, so not that young but not that old, seen what I would call the modern greats race, to me it’s never been better.
E34-3.2 said:
Sensei Rob said:
Oh, I don't know. I used to believe we landed on the Moon up until about 4 years ago when I spoke to a couple of physicists. There are way too many inconsistencies in the evidence to 100% say we landed on the Moon, as using the technology we had, we could have also faked it, too. I would strongly recommend the documentary called the Moon landing hoax by Richard Hall - on the documentary, two engineers delve into the science behind the fake claims. Quite eye-opening. What's even more hilarious is NASA's official statement as to why we haven't been back to the moon since the Apollo missions; apparently, they lost the technology. They had it back in the '60's and '70's, but they've now lost it and are incapable of recreating it. Really.
Put it this way, the people that believe we landed on the Moon are the same people that don't believe Bigfoot existed. It's practically exactly the same thing, except you had more people in on the Moon landing.
That one is for the unpopular opinion thread I guess. Put it this way, the people that believe we landed on the Moon are the same people that don't believe Bigfoot existed. It's practically exactly the same thing, except you had more people in on the Moon landing.
See also "is water wet?" "Will it hurt if I drop a bowling ball on my foot?" "Why are my parents so disappointed in me?"
Gaz. said:
Deesee said:
Have been watching since 1987 attending since 1996, so not that young but not that old, seen what I would call the modern greats race, to me it’s never been better.
Same, 87 was the first full season I watched, I did see the 1986 season from the German GP onwards though, first race I attended was in 1997 because it was the first year of full time employment. My five favourite years are 2018, 2010, 2017, 2012 & 2009 in that order. I do watch the 'classic' races from the 80s but dear God it's like watching a testing day by comparison.There have been isolated dull years and the dullest period was the Ferrari/Schumacher/Brawn years. I still went - I was at Silverstone when Schumacher drove into Stowe's crash barriers. One of the greatest races I've seen was the 87 British, with every car but the two in the lead, lapped.
I think the period from, say, 2007 has given us the most exciting racing I can remember. From the WDC being won on the last race, the last lap, and the last corner, to the squabbles in the mid-field, most years have been well worth watching. This season has been great. It is a shame that there are still two races to go but then it was still was not decided until the 19th race.
We are living in a golden period. It can't last of course due to costs and only 20 cars, but let's enjoy what has been edege of the seat stuff at times.
Derek Smith said:
We are living in a golden period.
Aren't we just!Those that follow most sports are often cursed with rose-tinted rear view mirrors and assume all that went before was better then. Was 'different' but not necessarily better. Certainly the cars may have been a little more exciting to watch; a bit edgier, sounded a bitter perhaps. But it's easy to forget the many races won by a lap or more to second place, last placed cars approaching 8 to 10 laps down, etc.
StevieBee said:
Aren't we just!
Those that follow most sports are often cursed with rose-tinted rear view mirrors and assume all that went before was better then. Was 'different' but not necessarily better. Certainly the cars may have been a little more exciting to watch; a bit edgier, sounded a bitter perhaps. But it's easy to forget the many races won by a lap or more to second place, last placed cars approaching 8 to 10 laps down, etc.
The 107% rule! Is that still in place? What was the last car to fail it?Those that follow most sports are often cursed with rose-tinted rear view mirrors and assume all that went before was better then. Was 'different' but not necessarily better. Certainly the cars may have been a little more exciting to watch; a bit edgier, sounded a bitter perhaps. But it's easy to forget the many races won by a lap or more to second place, last placed cars approaching 8 to 10 laps down, etc.
Sa Calobra said:
Jackie Stewart implied recently that it's not as tough today as it was in his time however in his time alot of the field we're people who weren't really professional racers, the speed of the cars back then was how much different to now?
The cars now are about 30/40% faster, 40% quali, 30% race than the early 70’s, and no more than 1/2 laps down through the field.Only last yr did they catch up with the 2004 Ferrari (with traction control, refuelling, the tyre war and replaceable v10’s). With 3 ICE a season and a fuel burn limit, and quali this year has been even quicker.
Example
Singapore 2017 a 1.39.4.
Singapore 2018 a 1.36.0.
The constant threat of death however....
glazbagun said:
StevieBee said:
Aren't we just!
Those that follow most sports are often cursed with rose-tinted rear view mirrors and assume all that went before was better then. Was 'different' but not necessarily better. Certainly the cars may have been a little more exciting to watch; a bit edgier, sounded a bitter perhaps. But it's easy to forget the many races won by a lap or more to second place, last placed cars approaching 8 to 10 laps down, etc.
The 107% rule! Is that still in place? What was the last car to fail it?Those that follow most sports are often cursed with rose-tinted rear view mirrors and assume all that went before was better then. Was 'different' but not necessarily better. Certainly the cars may have been a little more exciting to watch; a bit edgier, sounded a bitter perhaps. But it's easy to forget the many races won by a lap or more to second place, last placed cars approaching 8 to 10 laps down, etc.
IIRC, the rule can be appealed and rescinded at the discretion of the FiA if sufficient running proves them to be worthy of a place in the race so I assume the question relates to the last car actually excluded. Without Googling, I'm going to take a punt on a Minardi....possibly one of the HRTs.
I seem to recall the Manors and Caterhams regularly falling foul of this but don't think the ruling was ever enforced for them.
Derek Smith said:
I think the period from, say, 2007 has given us the most exciting racing I can remember. From the WDC being won on the last race, the last lap, and the last corner, to the squabbles in the mid-field, most years have been well worth watching. This season has been great. It is a shame that there are still two races to go but then it was still was not decided until the 19th race.
We are living in a golden period. It can't last of course due to costs and only 20 cars, but let's enjoy what has been edege of the seat stuff at times.
i admire your positivity about current F1 and lack of rose tinted glasses for the past. We are living in a golden period. It can't last of course due to costs and only 20 cars, but let's enjoy what has been edege of the seat stuff at times.
i'm still fascinated by F1, and now more than ever absorb so much of the preamble and technical discussion.
.... however, i find the actual races less interesting. aero has got in the way and needs to be fixed.
i also fear that the deep technicalities that we might enjoy (necessary to understand what's going on) are also a barrier to a wider audience.
I think Derek is spot on. I have watched F1 since 1976 and there have always been periods of one team domination and processional racing. This last few years have been pretty good despite Mercedes being so dominant 2014-2016. I think there is always a propensity to remember the good and forget the bad from the past which gives a false memory of how good it was 'back then'. If you look back over the last 5 years there have been some great races and not just for action at the front. The chief worry I have right now is the fact that you have to be in a Merc/Ferrari/Red Bull to stand a chance of winning.... that somehow needs to change, but I'm not sure it will.
cb1965 said:
The chief worry I have right now is the fact that you have to be in a Merc/Ferrari/Red Bull to stand a chance of winning.... that somehow needs to change, but I'm not sure it will.
I'm sure someone will know this - when was the last time four different teams won races in the same season? 
Has it happened this century?
Edited by kambites on Thursday 8th November 20:02
Pickled said:
kambites said:
I'm sure someone will know this - when was the last time four different teams won races in the same season?
Has it happened this century?
2009Has it happened this century?
Edited by kambites on Thursday 8th November 20:02
Brawn
RBR
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enjo said:
Pickled said:
kambites said:
I'm sure someone will know this - when was the last time four different teams won races in the same season?
Has it happened this century?
2009Has it happened this century?
Edited by kambites on Thursday 8th November 20:02
Brawn
RBR
Ferrari
Mclaren
Lotus
Red Bull
Mercedes
Ferrari
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