Lewis Hamilton
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Deesee said:
50% of all race wins in the turbo hybrid era..
One if not the largest periods of dominance by one team in a very long time.Not good for F1.
The others need to step up and take their chances, Lewis is just outfoxing them.
Deesee said:
The others need to step up and take their chances, Lewis is just outfoxing them.
This really, is the main thing!We keep hearing about money but Ferrari have all the money - and special privileges from the FIA and a seat on the board of F1 - but have seldom done much with this in recent years.
Toyota spent over $1billion on F1 and achieved nothing of any note.
Red Bull have won championships on budgets half that of the others....
The stark reality is that Hamilton and Mercedes are simply doing a far better job than the others.
Watching Sky F1, Welcome to the Weekend programme.
They showed brief interviews with other drivers and their reactions to Lewis's championship; they all showed very sincere admiration for him and his performance over the year. It was good to hear such honest, and positive opinions. A very worthy champion.
They showed brief interviews with other drivers and their reactions to Lewis's championship; they all showed very sincere admiration for him and his performance over the year. It was good to hear such honest, and positive opinions. A very worthy champion.
number2 said:
Watching Sky F1, Welcome to the Weekend programme.
They showed brief interviews with other drivers and their reactions to Lewis's championship; they all showed very sincere admiration for him and his performance over the year. It was good to hear such honest, and positive opinions. A very worthy champion.
Being honest, would you expect anything else? Whatever sport or industry that's very public, people very rarely say bad things about others in that field when interviewed.They showed brief interviews with other drivers and their reactions to Lewis's championship; they all showed very sincere admiration for him and his performance over the year. It was good to hear such honest, and positive opinions. A very worthy champion.
number2 said:
Watching Sky F1, Welcome to the Weekend programme.
They showed brief interviews with other drivers and their reactions to Lewis's championship; they all showed very sincere admiration for him and his performance over the year. It was good to hear such honest, and positive opinions. A very worthy champion.
Peers recognise talent amongst them. This season; Hamilton has been untouchable; even when the car was poor; the grid knows this and give respect where it is due. They showed brief interviews with other drivers and their reactions to Lewis's championship; they all showed very sincere admiration for him and his performance over the year. It was good to hear such honest, and positive opinions. A very worthy champion.
sparta6 said:
Yep. The FIA effectively sealed in Mercs head start / dominance via no development and testing allowed.
Head start?last time I checked all manufacturers were given the rules and opportunity to build engines at the same time. just Mercedes did a better job.
if you want to point fingers at the FIA about dominance, then look no further than the rule breaks they gave to Renault during the V8 era where Vettel won 4 championships.....
37chevy said:
sparta6 said:
Yep. The FIA effectively sealed in Mercs head start / dominance via no development and testing allowed.
Head start?last time I checked all manufacturers were given the rules and opportunity to build engines at the same time. just Mercedes did a better job.
if you want to point fingers at the FIA about dominance, then look no further than the rule breaks they gave to Renault during the V8 era where Vettel won 4 championships.....
Ferrari have even more budget than Mercedes... They and other teams simply need to do better. If Vettel and Ferrari did a better job on race weekends Seb would likely be champion now instead of Lewis who Sparta struggles to say anything positive were he is concerned.
HighwayStar said:
37chevy said:
sparta6 said:
Yep. The FIA effectively sealed in Mercs head start / dominance via no development and testing allowed.
Head start?last time I checked all manufacturers were given the rules and opportunity to build engines at the same time. just Mercedes did a better job.
if you want to point fingers at the FIA about dominance, then look no further than the rule breaks they gave to Renault during the V8 era where Vettel won 4 championships.....
Ferrari have even more budget than Mercedes... They and other teams simply need to do better. If Vettel and Ferrari did a better job on race weekends Seb would likely be champion now instead of Lewis who Sparta struggles to say anything positive were he is concerned.
37chevy said:
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Head start?
last time I checked all manufacturers were given the rules and opportunity to build engines at the same time. just Mercedes did a better job.
Which team was it that was pushing so hard for the type of engine we have now when other teams, like Renault, were expecting a four cylinder engine? Many people in the industry believe Mercedes were developing a long time before the actual engine format was announced.Head start?
last time I checked all manufacturers were given the rules and opportunity to build engines at the same time. just Mercedes did a better job.
The big thing for me is that the FIA have done nothing to stop the dominance of the Mercedes engine and have just waited for others to try and catch up. They changed the aero rules to stop Red Bull and changed the tyre rules to stop Ferrari but actually went the other way with Mercedes leaving the rules which prevented teams developing the engines at a fast pace to catch up in place for the first few seasons.
Kraken said:
Many people in the industry believe Mercedes were developing a long time before the actual engine format was announced.
Like who? I think this is just one of those silly rumours that gets repeated until it's 'fact'. There is no way Mercedes were going to ply huge amounts of money into developing something before it was finalised. The truth is the only advantage they did have is they were better placed than the other manufacturers to develop such an engine due to the expertise within their organisation and have ended up doing a better job. cb1965 said:
Kraken said:
Many people in the industry believe Mercedes were developing a long time before the actual engine format was announced.
Like who? I think this is just one of those silly rumours that gets repeated until it's 'fact'. There is no way Mercedes were going to ply huge amounts of money into developing something before it was finalised. The truth is the only advantage they did have is they were better placed than the other manufacturers to develop such an engine due to the expertise within their organisation and have ended up doing a better job. It's quite possible Merc were already going down this particular PU route for its road car development programme and had some crossover advantage into the mix.
maybe someone from Mercedes can chime in...
cb1965 said:
Like who? I think this is just one of those silly rumours that gets repeated until it's 'fact'. There is no way Mercedes were going to ply huge amounts of money into developing something before it was finalised. The truth is the only advantage they did have is they were better placed than the other manufacturers to develop such an engine due to the expertise within their organisation and have ended up doing a better job.
the engine, or anything else of the car, isn't really "made" by Mercedes. Its not even made in Germany!sparta6 said:
cb1965 said:
Kraken said:
Many people in the industry believe Mercedes were developing a long time before the actual engine format was announced.
Like who? I think this is just one of those silly rumours that gets repeated until it's 'fact'. There is no way Mercedes were going to ply huge amounts of money into developing something before it was finalised. The truth is the only advantage they did have is they were better placed than the other manufacturers to develop such an engine due to the expertise within their organisation and have ended up doing a better job. It's quite possible Merc were already going down this particular PU route for its road car development programme and had some crossover advantage into the mix.
maybe someone from Mercedes can chime in...
sparta6 said:
cb1965 said:
Kraken said:
Many people in the industry believe Mercedes were developing a long time before the actual engine format was announced.
Like who? I think this is just one of those silly rumours that gets repeated until it's 'fact'. There is no way Mercedes were going to ply huge amounts of money into developing something before it was finalised. The truth is the only advantage they did have is they were better placed than the other manufacturers to develop such an engine due to the expertise within their organisation and have ended up doing a better job. It's quite possible Merc were already going down this particular PU route for its road car development programme and had some crossover advantage into the mix.
maybe someone from Mercedes can chime in...
Their British development team is a division of their company so why wouldn't they pump mega money from HQ in it.
Ferrari are even better funded, both from the FIA and the FIAT mothership so what point are you driving at?
Ferrari are clearly not struggling with their PU. There has always been teams that have had a head start, a break through in an area where other teams have struggled to understand the concept and bring their own development. Renaults mass damper... Ferrari had a go, couldn't make it work so protested and got it band. Generally it's up to other teams to catch up.
I would agree with Kraken though... Team are usually reigned in by rule changes but generally, the same teams are at the sharp end because they have the most money, the best brains and have the tech to conceptualise and experiment their way to or near the front by the first race.
sparta6 said:
cb1965 said:
Kraken said:
Many people in the industry believe Mercedes were developing a long time before the actual engine format was announced.
Like who? I think this is just one of those silly rumours that gets repeated until it's 'fact'. There is no way Mercedes were going to ply huge amounts of money into developing something before it was finalised. The truth is the only advantage they did have is they were better placed than the other manufacturers to develop such an engine due to the expertise within their organisation and have ended up doing a better job. It's quite possible Merc were already going down this particular PU route for its road car development programme and had some crossover advantage into the mix.
maybe someone from Mercedes can chime in...
Sa Calobra said:
sparta6 said:
cb1965 said:
Kraken said:
Many people in the industry believe Mercedes were developing a long time before the actual engine format was announced.
Like who? I think this is just one of those silly rumours that gets repeated until it's 'fact'. There is no way Mercedes were going to ply huge amounts of money into developing something before it was finalised. The truth is the only advantage they did have is they were better placed than the other manufacturers to develop such an engine due to the expertise within their organisation and have ended up doing a better job. It's quite possible Merc were already going down this particular PU route for its road car development programme and had some crossover advantage into the mix.
maybe someone from Mercedes can chime in...
Although I am not in the motor manufacturing business.
As a direct consequence there is zero jealousy of any car manufacturer.
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