Lewis Hamilton
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r11co said:
Steamer said:
r11co said:
(*Pissy teenagers don't buy Mercs).
I think that has changed in recent years - cheap leases etc. I seem to see more and more young folk in mercs now.I think in truth behind the nice X Factor back story of a tough upbringing and a a child born to drive, you have a kid whose Dad helped fund him in karting by working his butt off and then a kid being taken on by McLaren aged 12 or so and pretty much monicodled and primed to be the black F1 champion and all the marketing gold dust that brings in which being the 'first' of anything is very important.
If you look at his childhood in that respect and also how his Dad does seem a touch hard and pushy you could see why he could be a lot crazier to even Micheal Jackson levels... He's in fairness quite rounded considering.
If you look at his childhood in that respect and also how his Dad does seem a touch hard and pushy you could see why he could be a lot crazier to even Micheal Jackson levels... He's in fairness quite rounded considering.
FIA press conferences are dull as, same tired questions asked by same tired hacks for years. Why ask a question to which there is only one answer? Not surprised he had a little play on his phone. Personally, I don't think the pics were particularly funny, but plenty of younger fans seemed to appreciate them and I think the sport needs those people more than it needs middle aged blokes who buy Rolexes and complain that Hamilton isn't into yachting or golf or whatever.
HorneyMX5 said:
Indeed. the 18 - 35's. Exactly the sort of people Merc want driving their cars and splashing them round social media when they collect them.
No. The 12-16 year olds who spend all day preening their hair and taking selfies to send to their BFFs when they are supposed to be studying for their exams. The iPhone 7 will be bought for them by their passive parents, or they will throw a strop and WhatsApp their BFFs to tell them how 's
t their life is' (just like their hero does) because parent has told them in no uncertain terms the iPhone is too expensive.The 12-16s who will eventually buy Mercs will be the ones who are out doing weekend jobs to supplement their pocket money and will pay for the iPhone themselves.
Edited by r11co on Friday 7th October 12:23
It's pretty hard these days to be a proper hell raiser or rebel, 'celebs' used to avoid doing adverts and voice overs it used to be thought of negatively but now look at say James Corden, there's nothing that fat idiot won't do!
Even Hollywood stars are in TV adverts these days.
Bands can't be as rock and roll as they used to be as Apple won't use their songs in their adverts, its all manufactured. With this it means the days of proper hell raisers are gone because everyone is on the money train selling stuff.
Only reason Bieber went nuts was to get a clear divide between sweet teenie bopper to serious musician, its all fake.
This is about as close to rebellion in F1 as we will get, playing with a phone at a press conference and making silly animal pictures.
Not saying it was big or clever but James Hunt used to go out to Qualify with a hangover.
Even Hollywood stars are in TV adverts these days.
Bands can't be as rock and roll as they used to be as Apple won't use their songs in their adverts, its all manufactured. With this it means the days of proper hell raisers are gone because everyone is on the money train selling stuff.
Only reason Bieber went nuts was to get a clear divide between sweet teenie bopper to serious musician, its all fake.
This is about as close to rebellion in F1 as we will get, playing with a phone at a press conference and making silly animal pictures.
Not saying it was big or clever but James Hunt used to go out to Qualify with a hangover.
Love the way the F1 media circus can manage to blow a storm in a tea cup in to something to rival hurricane Matthew.
1. Who hasn't found themselves sat in the same boring meeting week after week, with the same boring managers/staff saying the same boring things - and spent the time playing on their phone/writing shopping lists/planning holidays/etc?*
2. Who exactly has been disrespected here? To my eye it's only the F1 media circus that's being disrespected and the F1 media circus writing the stories about how it's the fans who are being disrespected. With the sort of crap you hear drivers being asked half the time I'm hardly suprised they don't respect a lot of the reporters. And as for the fans this is the Japanese GP weekend and don't make the mistake of judging Japanese culture by the norms of the UK. Are the UK counties/cities likely to adopt cute cartoon mascots? No. Does more or less every Japanese prefecture and city have a cute cartoon mascot? Yes.
To me and my UK mind Snapchat's a waste of bytes and I personally think the pictures are childish. The average Japanese F1 fan is probably loving how kawaii (cute) they are and liking that he's 'talking their language'.
1. Who hasn't found themselves sat in the same boring meeting week after week, with the same boring managers/staff saying the same boring things - and spent the time playing on their phone/writing shopping lists/planning holidays/etc?*
2. Who exactly has been disrespected here? To my eye it's only the F1 media circus that's being disrespected and the F1 media circus writing the stories about how it's the fans who are being disrespected. With the sort of crap you hear drivers being asked half the time I'm hardly suprised they don't respect a lot of the reporters. And as for the fans this is the Japanese GP weekend and don't make the mistake of judging Japanese culture by the norms of the UK. Are the UK counties/cities likely to adopt cute cartoon mascots? No. Does more or less every Japanese prefecture and city have a cute cartoon mascot? Yes.
To me and my UK mind Snapchat's a waste of bytes and I personally think the pictures are childish. The average Japanese F1 fan is probably loving how kawaii (cute) they are and liking that he's 'talking their language'.
- If you haven't YOU'RE probably the boring manager/co-worker.
Edited by //j17 on Friday 7th October 12:45
//j17 said:
Love the way the F1 media circus can manage to blow a storm in a tea cup in to something to rival hurricane Matthew.
1. Who hasn't found themselves sat in the same boring meeting week after week, with the same boring managers/staff saying the same boring things - and spent the time playing on their phone/writing shopping lists/planning holidays/etc?
2. Who exactly has been disrespected here? To my eye it's only the F1 media circus that's being disrespected and the F1 media circus writing the stories about how it's the fans who are being disrespected. With the sort of crap you hear drivers being asked half the time I'm hardly suprised they don't respect a lot of the reporters. And as for the fans this is the Japanese GP weekend and don't make the mistake of judging Japanese culture by the norms of the UK. Are the UK counties/cities likely to adopt cute cartoon mascots? No. Does more or less every Japanese prefecture and city have a cute cartoon mascot? Yes.
To me and my UK mind Snapchat's a waste of bytes and I personally think the pictures are childish. The average Japanese F1 fan is probably loving how kawaii (cute) they are and liking that he's 'talking their language'.
I agree with all of that, but still think a 31 year old doing that is a bit odd and for me shows signs of manchild behavior like Wacko Jacko. Maybe being so intrenched in the McLaren set up he lost a bit of his childhood?1. Who hasn't found themselves sat in the same boring meeting week after week, with the same boring managers/staff saying the same boring things - and spent the time playing on their phone/writing shopping lists/planning holidays/etc?
2. Who exactly has been disrespected here? To my eye it's only the F1 media circus that's being disrespected and the F1 media circus writing the stories about how it's the fans who are being disrespected. With the sort of crap you hear drivers being asked half the time I'm hardly suprised they don't respect a lot of the reporters. And as for the fans this is the Japanese GP weekend and don't make the mistake of judging Japanese culture by the norms of the UK. Are the UK counties/cities likely to adopt cute cartoon mascots? No. Does more or less every Japanese prefecture and city have a cute cartoon mascot? Yes.
To me and my UK mind Snapchat's a waste of bytes and I personally think the pictures are childish. The average Japanese F1 fan is probably loving how kawaii (cute) they are and liking that he's 'talking their language'.
Hungrymc said:
Wow!
Someone else complaining that at 31 they were frantically climbing the corporate ladder and so why isn't Lewis conforming to the same expectations / behaviours....? (Perhaps because he was fortunate enough to have the skills and opportunity to take a different path in life)?
At 31 and triple world champion, he is one of the more senior drivers in the sport. He should be an example and mentor to the younger drivers, yet he behaves like he's the kid, not them.Someone else complaining that at 31 they were frantically climbing the corporate ladder and so why isn't Lewis conforming to the same expectations / behaviours....? (Perhaps because he was fortunate enough to have the skills and opportunity to take a different path in life)?
r11co said:
tommunster10 said:
Not saying it was big or clever but James Hunt used to go out to Qualify with a hangover.
So did Kimi, but even he knows when to grow up. Lewis appears to be regressing.kimi doesn't give a f
things hes done over the years have all been well received long term
Lewis Hamilton said:
“Regarding the press conference, it’s been the same for 10 years. It’s not the media or mediator, it’s the format. Fans should be asking the questions!!!”
Totally agree. There used to be a Fans Forum, and a few years back I was lucky enough to get a ticket. Was a great informal session with a Q&A tagged on. Lewis never took the opportunity to attend.housen said:
r11co said:
tommunster10 said:
Not saying it was big or clever but James Hunt used to go out to Qualify with a hangover.
So did Kimi, but even he knows when to grow up. Lewis appears to be regressing.kimi doesn't give a f
things hes done over the years have all been well received long term
Oooh now one day Lewis snap chatted funny animal pictures in a press conference and Carlos looked well cute in it and Lewis and him talked via twitter about it......
It's folk lore written in crayons...
When Lewis wants to be controversial he just seems to miss the mark, like his "i don't use sims or even track walk anymore", at a new track then goes and bins it in the wall...
If your trying to reach the kids don't slag off simulators! He only needed to ask his brother he is a consultant for a computer sim game.
He's a bit like a mardy Prince, he has everything but not sure how much he appreciates it?
Apart from the old "I'm blessed" clap trap.
I don't like saying this as Lewis is clearly a wonderful bloke as you only need see him interact with his amazing brother Nicolas, I just wish we'd see more of that side instead of trying to hard to be cool and edgy.
The way he talks about Nicolas and the way they are together is great and It pains me that he does things and says things that i can't agree with as people call you a 'hater' which is very far from the truth in my case..
Edited by tommunster10 on Friday 7th October 14:02
wombleh said:
Will be interesting to see the reaction from his Japanese fans as I believe their culture is very different to ours in terms of the importance given to things like body language and manners.
I think the Japanese young kids will like the animal faces things, its the "this st is killing me" that is the worst bit, just sounds so wrong for a guy who is at the peak of his sport in F1 getting millions and millions but taking about a press conference as if he's in a history lecture.Who is supposed to relate to that?
The "s
t that kills me" is watching F1 knowing full well it will be a Merc 1-2 so long as no engines blow or they drive into each other. Every single time and watch the rest scrabble to be on the next row waiting to pick up any scraps if Merc cock up.We are adults on a car forum and we can't even say s
t without being censored, so its really not cool to say what he said.Animal faces bit weird and childish and a bit homoerotic doing it to Carlos maybe, but nothing bad in that...the "this s
t kills me"..not cool.Edited by tommunster10 on Friday 7th October 14:16
tommunster10 said:
This is my point, Senna is Lewis's hero and I never saw Senna acting like a 12 year old trying to impress the Bieber fans. Is this X Factor or F1?
I'm not bothered by Lewis acting up but he's 31 now, OK he's a lucky bloke he's handsome and looks younger but he is 31, its like a mid life crisis aged 31. If you were in a meeting at work and 31 year old was doing that to impress the younger ones you'd at least think "prat".
Senna would of been at least moaning about something important like safety or issues with the track etc, Senna was effortless cool because he wasn't trying to be cool....
I'm not sure you got my point. I'm not bothered by Lewis acting up but he's 31 now, OK he's a lucky bloke he's handsome and looks younger but he is 31, its like a mid life crisis aged 31. If you were in a meeting at work and 31 year old was doing that to impress the younger ones you'd at least think "prat".
Senna would of been at least moaning about something important like safety or issues with the track etc, Senna was effortless cool because he wasn't trying to be cool....
Why does it bother you how he acts? He's a driver, and in this he excels. He's stunning to watch. There's something about him that makes me think he'll do something spectacular.
I am not bothered that he does not reach a certain level of cool.
I seem to remember once or twice Senna did have a whinge, but perhaps I imagined that. I was a big fan of Senna's driving but he had 'faults' which put me, and many others it would appear, off him. Hamilton maintains his competitiveness without such actions.
If I worked with him I assume that I would have a different opinion of him, but that would be because I'd have a closer relationship. I have no idea what he is like to work with, and I would bet you do not either, so for both of us it would be a guess.
Senna had some odd ways. I seem to remember him on a TV programme with his then girlfriend. That was cringeworthy. Didn't seem to affect his driving though.
Look up Senna during his time with the noncompetitive McLaren. See if he moaned a bit there.
Eulogising Senna and then using the myth as a stick to beat Hamilton is really not on. For all his great driving, there was a side to him which carried ruthlessness beyond the level of reasonableness. It did not stop him being thrilling to watch, perhaps increased it, I don't know. But Hamilton's a pussy cat compared to the likes of Senna dn Schumacher.
His reaction to the engine blow out at the last race was what most people who were totally committed to a task would have experienced. I like the way he is more human than most. I liked Hakkinen. His reaction to his error - note that it was his fault - at Monza did not make him any less a person in my eyes.
We are lucky that Hamilton is on the grid.
Rick101 said:
The sooner he is out of F1 the better.
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