Lewis Hamilton
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BlackPrince said:
sparta6 said:
Well the black community is generally very homophobic.
If Hamilton is gay it might explain why he would want to keep it hushed, or wait until he retires from F1.
This subject is all speculation ofcourse
a) you're likely not black so your comments pontificating about the 'black community' are likely pulled from your sigmoid colonIf Hamilton is gay it might explain why he would want to keep it hushed, or wait until he retires from F1.
This subject is all speculation ofcourse
b) lots of communities are homophobic
c) there are many LGBTQ black celebrities who are mainstream and have been accepted by their own community and many others - off the top of my head, CNN anchor Don Lemon, and R&B singer Frank Ocean come to mind
d) if I were you I'd wind my neck in, and only speak about controversial topics once I'd gotten a clue
Just this once I will indulge you with a wafer-thin-slice from the actualities on the frontline of black London communities.
When we started our first club in East London we quickly learned that if Africans and Jamaicans were both present it usually kicked-off. As a direct result we had to double out security staff.
On Wednesdays we held probably the best gay night in town, we are talking sequin hot pants and a completely uplifting, safe environment. We hardly ever saw a black person on Wednesday.
If a black man comes out, his local community usually turns quite hostile.
This is a mere snippet from the trenches.
As you were.
sparta6 said:
The content of your post suggests that you've been living a fairly sheltered life so far, but ofcourse it would not be correct to make assumptions.
Just this once I will indulge you with a wafer-thin-slice from the actualities on the frontline of black London communities.
When we started our first club in East London we quickly learned that if Africans and Jamaicans were both present it usually kicked-off. As a direct result we had to double out security staff.
On Wednesdays we held probably the best gay night in town, we are talking sequin hot pants and a completely uplifting, safe environment. We hardly ever saw a black person on Wednesday.
If a black man comes out, his local community usually turns quite hostile.
This is a mere snippet from the trenches.
As you were.
well hey I'm just black, and a member of the LGBTQ community, what do I know? Just this once I will indulge you with a wafer-thin-slice from the actualities on the frontline of black London communities.
When we started our first club in East London we quickly learned that if Africans and Jamaicans were both present it usually kicked-off. As a direct result we had to double out security staff.
On Wednesdays we held probably the best gay night in town, we are talking sequin hot pants and a completely uplifting, safe environment. We hardly ever saw a black person on Wednesday.
If a black man comes out, his local community usually turns quite hostile.
This is a mere snippet from the trenches.
As you were.
Surely you realize that your experience isn't universal right? Wind your neck in about other people being "sheltered" when you know nothing about them
sparta6 said:
The content of your post suggests that you've been living a fairly sheltered life so far, but ofcourse it would not be correct to make assumptions.
Just this once I will indulge you with a wafer-thin-slice from the actualities on the frontline of black London communities.
When we started our first club in East London we quickly learned that if Africans and Jamaicans were both present it usually kicked-off. As a direct result we had to double out security staff.
On Wednesdays we held probably the best gay night in town, we are talking sequin hot pants and a completely uplifting, safe environment. We hardly ever saw a black person on Wednesday.
If a black man comes out, his local community usually turns quite hostile.
This is a mere snippet from the trenches.
As you were.
I've been to gay clubs and gay nights at straight clubs all over the world and the percentage of black revellers mirrored their overall representation in the larger population. Just this once I will indulge you with a wafer-thin-slice from the actualities on the frontline of black London communities.
When we started our first club in East London we quickly learned that if Africans and Jamaicans were both present it usually kicked-off. As a direct result we had to double out security staff.
On Wednesdays we held probably the best gay night in town, we are talking sequin hot pants and a completely uplifting, safe environment. We hardly ever saw a black person on Wednesday.
If a black man comes out, his local community usually turns quite hostile.
This is a mere snippet from the trenches.
As you were.
Please don't conflate "the black community" with "my experience as a white male running gay clubs in East London and interacting with 3 black people a year."
I'm not sure what your level of education is, but even if you've never taken a university-level statistics/research methodology course, surely you understand the concept of anecdotal evidence, confirmation bias, etc?
Edit: Thanks for adding that totally unnecessary bit about how Africans and Jamaicans are violent. We certainly now know you have no axe to grind
Edited by BlackPrince on Tuesday 8th January 21:30
^^^^^^ What BlackPrince said. Quite a few black and ethnic minority LGBT friends and we’ve spent countless days on Canal Streeet in Manchester with ZERO issues.
Maybe it’s a perception and maybe the percentage of issues are higher in the ethnic communities but it is by no means the normal or standard these days....20/30years ago, maybe?
Maybe it’s a perception and maybe the percentage of issues are higher in the ethnic communities but it is by no means the normal or standard these days....20/30years ago, maybe?
BlackPrince said:
sparta6 said:
The content of your post suggests that you've been living a fairly sheltered life so far, but ofcourse it would not be correct to make assumptions.
Just this once I will indulge you with a wafer-thin-slice from the actualities on the frontline of black London communities.
When we started our first club in East London we quickly learned that if Africans and Jamaicans were both present it usually kicked-off. As a direct result we had to double out security staff.
On Wednesdays we held probably the best gay night in town, we are talking sequin hot pants and a completely uplifting, safe environment. We hardly ever saw a black person on Wednesday.
If a black man comes out, his local community usually turns quite hostile.
This is a mere snippet from the trenches.
As you were.
well hey I'm just black, and a member of the LGBTQ community, what do I know? Just this once I will indulge you with a wafer-thin-slice from the actualities on the frontline of black London communities.
When we started our first club in East London we quickly learned that if Africans and Jamaicans were both present it usually kicked-off. As a direct result we had to double out security staff.
On Wednesdays we held probably the best gay night in town, we are talking sequin hot pants and a completely uplifting, safe environment. We hardly ever saw a black person on Wednesday.
If a black man comes out, his local community usually turns quite hostile.
This is a mere snippet from the trenches.
As you were.
Surely you realize that your experience isn't universal right? Wind your neck in about other people being "sheltered" when you know nothing about them
A true PH classic... and quoted for prosperity!
LDN said:
Sparta shows his true colours... and seems to think that an East London gay night that he ran, is a way of measuring what the ‘black community’ at large thinks and feels about a given topic.
A true PH classic... and quoted for prosperity!
It didn't make me feel any wealthier.A true PH classic... and quoted for prosperity!
I have to say, as a life long Ferrari fan, this season was hard to watch!
I've never been a Hamilton fan, but this season he was sublime and I now see him as one of F1's GOAT (Something I never thought i'd admit to myself) Regardless of who had the fastest car or not, he simply drove better than Vettel.
It pains me to say it, but until Ferrari build a car that is consistently a couple of tenths quicker than the Merc, they'll have trouble beating him. I'm banking on young Charles to breathe some fresh air into Ferrari. I don't paticulary care which Ferrari driver mounts the challenge, I just hope one of them can!
I've never been a Hamilton fan, but this season he was sublime and I now see him as one of F1's GOAT (Something I never thought i'd admit to myself) Regardless of who had the fastest car or not, he simply drove better than Vettel.
It pains me to say it, but until Ferrari build a car that is consistently a couple of tenths quicker than the Merc, they'll have trouble beating him. I'm banking on young Charles to breathe some fresh air into Ferrari. I don't paticulary care which Ferrari driver mounts the challenge, I just hope one of them can!
AllyBassman said:
I have to say, as a life long Ferrari fan, this season was hard to watch!
I've never been a Hamilton fan, but this season he was sublime and I now see him as one of F1's GOAT (Something I never thought i'd admit to myself) Regardless of who had the fastest car or not, he simply drove better than Vettel.
It pains me to say it, but until Ferrari build a car that is consistently a couple of tenths quicker than the Merc, they'll have trouble beating him. I'm banking on young Charles to breathe some fresh air into Ferrari. I don't paticulary care which Ferrari driver mounts the challenge, I just hope one of them can!
As a Hamilton fan, im also looking forward to this. Hamilton is now undoubtedly the best driver of his generation BUT a time will come for him to hand over the torch to the new generation. I've never been a Hamilton fan, but this season he was sublime and I now see him as one of F1's GOAT (Something I never thought i'd admit to myself) Regardless of who had the fastest car or not, he simply drove better than Vettel.
It pains me to say it, but until Ferrari build a car that is consistently a couple of tenths quicker than the Merc, they'll have trouble beating him. I'm banking on young Charles to breathe some fresh air into Ferrari. I don't paticulary care which Ferrari driver mounts the challenge, I just hope one of them can!
Bizarrely ive never been a Ferrari fan, because the drivers they employ, I can never seem to support (apart from Kimi), but I really do like Charles from a driving and personality POV. If Red Bull can up their game with Honda we could have a cracking season fought out between youth and experience.
I still hope Hamilton gets his 6th title next year...whether he gets his 7th or not I don't know....its going to be a really tough ask, but if he has to go through Vettel, Leclerc and Verstappen in competitive cars to get it then it will be thoroughly deserved.
37chevy said:
As a Hamilton fan, im also looking forward to this. Hamilton is now undoubtedly the best driver of his generation BUT a time will come for him to hand over the torch to the new generation.
Bizarrely ive never been a Ferrari fan, because the drivers they employ, I can never seem to support (apart from Kimi), but I really do like Charles from a driving and personality POV. If Red Bull can up their game with Honda we could have a cracking season fought out between youth and experience.
I still hope Hamilton gets his 6th title next year...whether he gets his 7th or not I don't know....its going to be a really tough ask, but if he has to go through Vettel, Leclerc and Verstappen in competitive cars to get it then it will be thoroughly deserved.
The ball must very much be in Hamilton's court for a 6th World Championship.Bizarrely ive never been a Ferrari fan, because the drivers they employ, I can never seem to support (apart from Kimi), but I really do like Charles from a driving and personality POV. If Red Bull can up their game with Honda we could have a cracking season fought out between youth and experience.
I still hope Hamilton gets his 6th title next year...whether he gets his 7th or not I don't know....its going to be a really tough ask, but if he has to go through Vettel, Leclerc and Verstappen in competitive cars to get it then it will be thoroughly deserved.
I personally feel Vettel was shown up again in 2018. Two years in a row. Unless Ferrari finds something which gives them a big advantage then Vettel will not be doing anything in 2019.
LeClerc could be a different story. Could he be the Hamilton of 2007? I would love to see LeClerc do well as he has been through a lot with his father's death and Bianchi. The guy just seems very genuine.
But perhaps he needs a year to just get things in motion. He was amazing in 2018 but the pressure of Ferrari and the fans could make him suffer a bit.
I honestly can't see past Hamilton. Even with the changes in regulations, the Mercedes is still a very fast car.
They would need to make a bit of a mess of it over the winter period but I just can't see it.
Red Bull and Honda could be the surprise. But I doubt it.
Ricciardo is out of the equation as well which is a real shame.
Looking forward to 2019 but I would not place a bet anywhere apart from Hamilton.
BlackPrince said:
sparta6 said:
The content of your post suggests that you've been living a fairly sheltered life so far, but ofcourse it would not be correct to make assumptions.
Just this once I will indulge you with a wafer-thin-slice from the actualities on the frontline of black London communities.
When we started our first club in East London we quickly learned that if Africans and Jamaicans were both present it usually kicked-off. As a direct result we had to double out security staff.
On Wednesdays we held probably the best gay night in town, we are talking sequin hot pants and a completely uplifting, safe environment. We hardly ever saw a black person on Wednesday.
If a black man comes out, his local community usually turns quite hostile.
This is a mere snippet from the trenches.
As you were.
I've been to gay clubs and gay nights at straight clubs all over the world and the percentage of black revellers mirrored their overall representation in the larger population. Just this once I will indulge you with a wafer-thin-slice from the actualities on the frontline of black London communities.
When we started our first club in East London we quickly learned that if Africans and Jamaicans were both present it usually kicked-off. As a direct result we had to double out security staff.
On Wednesdays we held probably the best gay night in town, we are talking sequin hot pants and a completely uplifting, safe environment. We hardly ever saw a black person on Wednesday.
If a black man comes out, his local community usually turns quite hostile.
This is a mere snippet from the trenches.
As you were.
Please don't conflate "the black community" with "my experience as a white male running gay clubs in East London and interacting with 3 black people a year."
I'm not sure what your level of education is, but even if you've never taken a university-level statistics/research methodology course, surely you understand the concept of anecdotal evidence, confirmation bias, etc?
Edit: Thanks for adding that totally unnecessary bit about how Africans and Jamaicans are violent. We certainly now know you have no axe to grind
Edited by BlackPrince on Tuesday 8th January 21:30
Purely observations from the real world in London culture and communities.
And yes, it got quite nasty at times with Jamaicans and Africans. Why they couldn't get along baffled us, but you live and learn.
Nobody will really know anyone’s prospects until the wheels turn at the first GP. Of course the ‘form’ would see Hamilton as a favourite..
But who knows who has gone forward or backwards during the off-season?
A slight car advantage one way or the other can see a team build a handy early lead.
Winning streaks are tricky to maintain in F1.
You generally need;
a superior car.
An excellent driver.
A supportive no2 driver good enough to take care of 2nd place points.
Good reliability
and a bit of luck.
But who knows who has gone forward or backwards during the off-season?
A slight car advantage one way or the other can see a team build a handy early lead.
Winning streaks are tricky to maintain in F1.
You generally need;
a superior car.
An excellent driver.
A supportive no2 driver good enough to take care of 2nd place points.
Good reliability
and a bit of luck.
spunkytherabbit said:
Will somebody PLEASE close this thread? I'm begging someone to. I'd PAY someone to.
PLEASE don't.There's a few people with a burning need to talk s
t on ham continuously, probably better we have this thread for them to muck rake than let their weird obsession clog up other threads such as race weekend threads If you don't like it there is an ignore thread button
sparta6 said:
I don't own an axe.
Purely observations from the real world in London culture and communities.
And yes, it got quite nasty at times with Jamaicans and Africans. Why they couldn't get along baffled us, but you live and learn.
geezus fPurely observations from the real world in London culture and communities.
And yes, it got quite nasty at times with Jamaicans and Africans. Why they couldn't get along baffled us, but you live and learn.
king Christ - surely you realize that your exposure is relatively limited right? Like any generalization the problem is that one tends to take what may be a set of reasonable accurate observations, and think that they apply universally to that particular population everywhere. You don't know anything about 'black culture' mate: you have had some experience with a particular subset of black people over a particular period of time in a particular part of London. The fact that you don't seem to realize this is absolutely maddening and beggars belief. Anyway, back to Hamilton, I'm not really sure why or how the questions about his sexuality started on this thread, but it is unbelievable to me that this would be a matter of concern or even curiosity for anyone in 2018.
I'd be surprised if Leclerc bothered Vettel let alone Hamilton. He certainly has potential and his victory in the F2 championship was well earned. He will surely win an F1 championship someday, but I don't imagine that will be before Hamilton retires - unless Ferrari magically build a better car than Mercedes
ELUSIVEJIM said:
The ball must very much be in Hamilton's court for a 6th World Championship.
I personally feel Vettel was shown up again in 2018. Two years in a row. Unless Ferrari finds something which gives them a big advantage then Vettel will not be doing anything in 2019.
LeClerc could be a different story. Could he be the Hamilton of 2007? I would love to see LeClerc do well as he has been through a lot with his father's death and Bianchi. The guy just seems very genuine.
But perhaps he needs a year to just get things in motion. He was amazing in 2018 but the pressure of Ferrari and the fans could make him suffer a bit.
I honestly can't see past Hamilton. Even with the changes in regulations, the Mercedes is still a very fast car.
They would need to make a bit of a mess of it over the winter period but I just can't see it.
Red Bull and Honda could be the surprise. But I doubt it.
Ricciardo is out of the equation as well which is a real shame.
Looking forward to 2019 but I would not place a bet anywhere apart from Hamilton.
agree with thisI personally feel Vettel was shown up again in 2018. Two years in a row. Unless Ferrari finds something which gives them a big advantage then Vettel will not be doing anything in 2019.
LeClerc could be a different story. Could he be the Hamilton of 2007? I would love to see LeClerc do well as he has been through a lot with his father's death and Bianchi. The guy just seems very genuine.
But perhaps he needs a year to just get things in motion. He was amazing in 2018 but the pressure of Ferrari and the fans could make him suffer a bit.
I honestly can't see past Hamilton. Even with the changes in regulations, the Mercedes is still a very fast car.
They would need to make a bit of a mess of it over the winter period but I just can't see it.
Red Bull and Honda could be the surprise. But I doubt it.
Ricciardo is out of the equation as well which is a real shame.
Looking forward to 2019 but I would not place a bet anywhere apart from Hamilton.
il be genuinely please for Charles and Ferrari if they win next year....although I still hope Hamilton does it!
red bull will either surprise or tank....it will be interesting to see what happens if its the latter
ricciardo? its either a master stroke or suicide....short term it will be painful, but long term it could be a clever move, especially if honda/ red bull tank.
Teddy Lop said:
spunkytherabbit said:
Will somebody PLEASE close this thread? I'm begging someone to. I'd PAY someone to.
PLEASE don't.There's a few people with a burning need to talk s
t on ham continuously, probably better we have this thread for them to muck rake than let their weird obsession clog up other threads such as race weekend threads If you don't like it there is an ignore thread button
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