Lewis Hamilton

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Deesee

3,254 posts

31 months

Friday 11th January
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sparta6 said:
Man-At-Arms said:
lbc said:
Deesee said:
lbc said:
Bottas and Vettel will be gone next year if they don't perform.
Bottas lost a personal sponsor this week (that he’s had since 12 yrs old) that partially pays/supplements his salary.

Needs a fast winning start IMO.
Toto Wolf has said Bottas needs to be winning races on par with Hamilton this season in order to keep his seat.
that's a bit unfair, as Bottas was going to win Sochi. But was told by Toto to let Lewis win !
He makes a fine Butler
Should have been leading the championship at half way, some awful luck, see the chainbear end of season review....

Teddy Lop

1,986 posts

15 months

Friday 11th January
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Sixpackpert said:
Man-At-Arms said:
lbc said:
Deesee said:
lbc said:
Bottas and Vettel will be gone next year if they don't perform.
Bottas lost a personal sponsor this week (that he’s had since 12 yrs old) that partially pays/supplements his salary.

Needs a fast winning start IMO.
Toto Wolf has said Bottas needs to be winning races on par with Hamilton this season in order to keep his seat.
that's a bit unfair, as Bottas was going to win Sochi. But was told by Toto to let Lewis win !
To be fair that was one race...
hardly the point that derailed his championship was it?

ELUSIVEJIM

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7,731 posts

99 months

Friday 11th January
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Surely Mercedes will be much happier having Hamilton and Bottas in the same team.

Mercedes won the constructors and drivers Championship.

I am sure they would not want another Hamilton/Rosberg situation.


37chevy

3,280 posts

104 months

Friday 11th January
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Surely Mercedes will be much happier having Hamilton and Bottas in the same team.

Mercedes won the constructors and drivers Championship.

I am sure they would not want another Hamilton/Rosberg situation.
Exactly. It’s why Ferrari were so successful in the Schumacher era. Have your main steed that will win the championship and your other driver to pick up the points for the team. I don’t see why this is frowned upon either, the number 1 driver did something right to get into that position in the first place

HighwayStar

2,628 posts

92 months

Friday 11th January
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37chevy said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Surely Mercedes will be much happier having Hamilton and Bottas in the same team.

Mercedes won the constructors and drivers Championship.

I am sure they would not want another Hamilton/Rosberg situation.
Exactly. It’s why Ferrari were so successful in the Schumacher era. Have your main steed that will win the championship and your other driver to pick up the points for the team. I don’t see why this is frowned upon either, the number 1 driver did something right to get into that position in the first place
The only problem is Bottas isn’t Irvine who was more than happy to take the money and be Michaels butt monkey... Bottas sees himself as having the goods to complete for the title.
Like Vettel, Bottas will have been doing a lot of thinking and re-evaluating. He’ll have to dig deep, like Rosberg but... does he have it in him?

sparta6

1,440 posts

48 months

Friday 11th January
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HighwayStar said:
The only problem is Bottas isn’t Irvine who was more than happy to take the money and be Michaels butt monkey...
Nothing more than an urban myth. Irvine was a tough competitor. Crossed the line 6th in his first F1 race by unlapping himself against the mighty Senna.
Eddie will tell you that Michael's relentless raw speed was the same as "being hit around the head with a cricket bat" every day.
Eddie, Johnny, Felipe and Rubens could hardly keep up.
I would not class Bottas in the same category as any of them. He was mediocre at Williams and fits the needs of Hamilton perfectly well.
Bottas is no Rosberg that's for sure.



37chevy

3,280 posts

104 months

Friday 11th January
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sparta6 said:
Nothing more than an urban myth. Irvine was a tough competitor. Crossed the line 6th in his first F1 race by unlapping himself against the mighty Senna.
Eddie will tell you that Michael's relentless raw speed was the same as "being hit around the head with a cricket bat" every day.
Eddie, Johnny, Felipe and Rubens could hardly keep up.
I would not class Bottas in the same category as any of them. He was mediocre at Williams and fits the needs of Hamilton perfectly well.
Bottas is no Rosberg that's for sure.
The needs of Hamilton?

Dermot O'Logical

725 posts

77 months

Saturday 12th January
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rdjohn said:
tight fart said:
Not sure why people are convinced that Liberty will be any more open honest and fair than Bernie was.
From what I here its unlikely.
Not sure what makes you think that.

F1 is their train set and they take a huge profit but the very strong impression that they create is that slowly, but surely, they will change the series to their liking. The key issue is taking the teams along with their aspirations, but in the fullness of time, I believe that they will get there.

Bernie shot from the hip - Liberty play the long-game to achieve the results they (and most of us fans) want.

Remember the title of Ross Brawn’s book - Total Competition: Lessons in Strategy from Formula One
Does anybody else think that what we're about to see over the next few seasons is the Disneyfication of Grand Prix racing?

rdjohn

3,866 posts

143 months

Saturday 12th January
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Does anybody else think that what we're about to see over the next few seasons is the Disneyfication of Grand Prix racing?
Short answer: No

My guess is that their aim would be to have all cars on the same lap at the end of the race.
Races where driver inputs determine the race outcome
Shorter races to attract a younger audience - they are the future.

While the technical side may be of interest to many of us on this forum, I do not believe it is significant to most casual fans.

Most tennis fans would be unhappy if they thought the reason why Nidal, Federer and Djokovic won tennis matches was because they had a bigger budget to buy better rackets and trainers.

HighwayStar

2,628 posts

92 months

Saturday 12th January
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sparta6 said:
HighwayStar said:
The only problem is Bottas isn’t Irvine who was more than happy to take the money and be Michaels butt monkey...
Nothing more than an urban myth. Irvine was a tough competitor. Crossed the line 6th in his first F1 race by unlapping himself against the mighty Senna.
Eddie will tell you that Michael's relentless raw speed was the same as "being hit around the head with a cricket bat" every day.
Eddie, Johnny, Felipe and Rubens could hardly keep up.
I would not class Bottas in the same category as any of them. He was mediocre at Williams and fits the needs of Hamilton perfectly well.
Bottas is no Rosberg that's for sure.
Exactly Sparta rolleyes

Irvine said many times who fast Michael was and he couldn’t match his pace. He just accepted his place. When Michael broke his leg Eddie was in prime position to take the title but he didn’t because the pressure got to him.
Before you argue that one Sparta, listen to Ross Brawn Beyond The Grid... he said it himself.
To me Irvine spent to much time kissing Michael’s arse wink

Exige77

4,047 posts

139 months

Saturday 12th January
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rdjohn said:
Dermot O'Logical said:
Does anybody else think that what we're about to see over the next few seasons is the Disneyfication of Grand Prix racing?
Short answer: No

My guess is that their aim would be to have all cars on the same lap at the end of the race.
Races where driver inputs determine the race outcome
Shorter races to attract a younger audience - they are the future.

While the technical side may be of interest to many of us on this forum, I do not believe it is significant to most casual fans.

Most tennis fans would be unhappy if they thought the reason why Nidal, Federer and Djokovic won tennis matches was because they had a bigger budget to buy better rackets and trainers.
Tennis is man v man.

F1 is man + machine v man + machine

eccles

11,055 posts

170 months

Saturday 12th January
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Exige77 said:
rdjohn said:
Dermot O'Logical said:
Does anybody else think that what we're about to see over the next few seasons is the Disneyfication of Grand Prix racing?
Short answer: No

My guess is that their aim would be to have all cars on the same lap at the end of the race.
Races where driver inputs determine the race outcome
Shorter races to attract a younger audience - they are the future.

While the technical side may be of interest to many of us on this forum, I do not believe it is significant to most casual fans.

Most tennis fans would be unhappy if they thought the reason why Nidal, Federer and Djokovic won tennis matches was because they had a bigger budget to buy better rackets and trainers.
Tennis is man v man.

F1 is man + machine v man + machine
And budget V budget where budget can have a very big difference in out come.

37chevy

3,280 posts

104 months

Saturday 12th January
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eccles said:
And budget V budget where budget can have a very big difference in out come.
Same as 99% of sports, budget is key. You do tend to find the best guys have the biggest budget and therefore the best equipment and team through earning it though

ELUSIVEJIM

Original Poster:

7,731 posts

99 months

Saturday 12th January
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But budget means more in motorsport than any other sport.

Kicking a football and having skills can be learned in a playground for very little cost.

This goes for so many other sports.

Just getting started in Motorsport is hard enough just due to the costs involved.

It's only going to get worse.




Davos123

5,764 posts

160 months

Saturday 12th January
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
But budget means more in motorsport than any other sport.

Kicking a football and having skills can be learned in a playground for very little cost.
Budget for a team doesn't mean more in motorsport than it does in football, particularly. The correlation between budget and league position is incredibly strong.

37chevy

3,280 posts

104 months

Saturday 12th January
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
But budget means more in motorsport than any other sport.

Kicking a football and having skills can be learned in a playground for very little cost.

This goes for so many other sports.

Just getting started in Motorsport is hard enough just due to the costs involved.

It's only going to get worse.
No doubt costs are high in Motorsport, but it’s not exactly cheep in sports like cycling, sailing, ice hockey etc. It’s a few grand before you think about it. Even sports like football once kids have been poached by league teams gets insanely expensive

Bo_apex

1,020 posts

166 months

Sunday 13th January
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
But budget means more in motorsport than any other sport.
+1
Comparitively Boxing is cheap as chips. Talent and self-discipline are the biggest requirements for a sustainable career and championships.




Gary C

5,458 posts

127 months

Sunday 13th January
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rdjohn said:
Dermot O'Logical said:
Does anybody else think that what we're about to see over the next few seasons is the Disneyfication of Grand Prix racing?
Short answer: No

My guess is that their aim would be to have all cars on the same lap at the end of the race.
Races where driver inputs determine the race outcome
Shorter races to attract a younger audience - they are the future.
.
Which to me is the Disneyfication of GP racing

swisstoni

8,331 posts

227 months

Sunday 13th January
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Gary C said:
rdjohn said:
Dermot O'Logical said:
Does anybody else think that what we're about to see over the next few seasons is the Disneyfication of Grand Prix racing?
Short answer: No

My guess is that their aim would be to have all cars on the same lap at the end of the race.
Races where driver inputs determine the race outcome
Shorter races to attract a younger audience - they are the future.
.
Which to me is the Disneyfication of GP racing
I’d like races that last until the end of the race. Not with everyone cruising because something is going to run out if they push to the end.
Watching people save fuel and tyres isn’t a lot of fun.

HustleRussell

17,143 posts

108 months

Sunday 13th January
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swisstoni said:
I’d like races that last until the end of the race. Not with everyone cruising because something is going to run out if they push to the end.
Watching people save fuel and tyres isn’t a lot of fun.
You haven’t watched a lot of Grand Prix recently then? Half of the races actually come alive in the closing laps and there’s a will he / won’t he suspense as somebody with a pace advantage catches the leader or another front runner.