Lewis Hamilton
Discussion
Kraken said:
I hate all these historical comparisons. It's impossible to compare drivers driving in the same race let alone in different eras. Even in the same team all you could be seeing is which driver is better suited to the rules/car combinations at the time. Change the tyre compounds, stop blowing diffusers etc and things often change.
We should let the achievements of the drivers stand on their own rather than trying to validate them in meaningless comparison.
Well said. We should let the achievements of the drivers stand on their own rather than trying to validate them in meaningless comparison.
cb1965 said:
Kraken said:
I hate all these historical comparisons. It's impossible to compare drivers driving in the same race let alone in different eras. Even in the same team all you could be seeing is which driver is better suited to the rules/car combinations at the time. Change the tyre compounds, stop blowing diffusers etc and things often change.
We should let the achievements of the drivers stand on their own rather than trying to validate them in meaningless comparison.
Well said. We should let the achievements of the drivers stand on their own rather than trying to validate them in meaningless comparison.
Not sure why it should bother anyone?
Rumblestripe said:
I don't think anyone is seeking to "validate" anyone? It's a silly hypothetical discussion, no harm, no winners, no losers.
Not sure why it should bother anyone?
If no-one cares then why discuss it in the first place? Why not have a conversation about which type of rain moves faster on a car body?Not sure why it should bother anyone?
swisstoni said:
Well those people discussing random pointless things shouldn’t be annoyed when they get random pointless criticism should they?
The process of debate can be useful and entertaining in itself. Whether you agree with the conclusion or not the information used to support arguments can still educate.
Rumblestripe said:
cb1965 said:
Kraken said:
I hate all these historical comparisons. It's impossible to compare drivers driving in the same race let alone in different eras. Even in the same team all you could be seeing is which driver is better suited to the rules/car combinations at the time. Change the tyre compounds, stop blowing diffusers etc and things often change.
We should let the achievements of the drivers stand on their own rather than trying to validate them in meaningless comparison.
Well said. We should let the achievements of the drivers stand on their own rather than trying to validate them in meaningless comparison.
Not sure why it should bother anyone?
E.g. When Hamilton flung his superbike down the road its reported he turned his phone off for a few days and hid from a certain Mr Toto who had no idea he was playing around on superbikes... Danny ric has a contract that stipulates he cant go surfing, Webber falling off his bicycle probably cost him the titles(s) and Montoya managed to damage his wrist """playing tennis"""
Graveworm said:
swisstoni said:
Well those people discussing random pointless things shouldn’t be annoyed when they get random pointless criticism should they?
The process of debate can be useful and entertaining in itself. Whether you agree with the conclusion or not the information used to support arguments can still educate.
But I was responding to the comment that was along the lines of ‘if you don’t like it, clear off’.
Kraken said:
Rumblestripe said:
I don't think anyone is seeking to "validate" anyone? It's a silly hypothetical discussion, no harm, no winners, no losers.
Not sure why it should bother anyone?
If no-one cares then why discuss it in the first place? Why not have a conversation about which type of rain moves faster on a car body?Not sure why it should bother anyone?
37chevy said:
Read my post again, I still think he’s one of the greats.....just saying I don’t know how his ‘character’ would have gotten on with modern F1. Today you’ve got to be Uber consistent, the differences between drivers is tiny, you can’t afford to pull some of the antics the likes of he and Prost did
Hmm, Prost, antics? Didn't he only ever pull one 'antic', and being unused to doing so, didn't do it very well?It is an interesting point though, Hamilton has achieved what he has without blundering into other drivers. He is a massive fan of Senna, but hasn't used the Senna style of winning at all.
Just to say also, there are other names from the past who were able to do things that other drivers could not, and I'm going to say names like Fangio, Moss, Clark, Stewart. These were drivers genuinely on another level.
^ related... JV interview:
Villeneuve believes his former rival, Michael Schumacher, brought in a culture of ‘no respect’ that is still prevalent today.
“He had a total lack of respect for other drivers and what racing is all about,” he told Swedish newspaper Expressen.
“It started an era where everyone does the same.
“I look at Formula 2 and Formula 3 and it’s weird that we don’t have a couple of deaths every year.”
Asked if he saw the same in F1, he replied: “Yes, almost everyone too.
“They change lines, they change lines and move when braking – things you should not see.”
The former World Champion added that there is one driver in today’s F1 who stands apart, Lewis Hamilton.
“Lewis is great because so far he has done nothing that is beyond the boundaries,” Villeneuve added.
“That’s the big difference. He’s more of a gentleman on the track. A quick driver, but a clean one.”
Villeneuve believes his former rival, Michael Schumacher, brought in a culture of ‘no respect’ that is still prevalent today.
“He had a total lack of respect for other drivers and what racing is all about,” he told Swedish newspaper Expressen.
“It started an era where everyone does the same.
“I look at Formula 2 and Formula 3 and it’s weird that we don’t have a couple of deaths every year.”
Asked if he saw the same in F1, he replied: “Yes, almost everyone too.
“They change lines, they change lines and move when braking – things you should not see.”
The former World Champion added that there is one driver in today’s F1 who stands apart, Lewis Hamilton.
“Lewis is great because so far he has done nothing that is beyond the boundaries,” Villeneuve added.
“That’s the big difference. He’s more of a gentleman on the track. A quick driver, but a clean one.”
LDN said:
^ related... JV interview:
Villeneuve believes his former rival, Michael Schumacher, brought in a culture of ‘no respect’ that is still prevalent today.
“He had a total lack of respect for other drivers and what racing is all about,” he told Swedish newspaper Expressen.
“It started an era where everyone does the same.
“I look at Formula 2 and Formula 3 and it’s weird that we don’t have a couple of deaths every year.”
Asked if he saw the same in F1, he replied: “Yes, almost everyone too.
“They change lines, they change lines and move when braking – things you should not see.”
The former World Champion added that there is one driver in today’s F1 who stands apart, Lewis Hamilton.
“Lewis is great because so far he has done nothing that is beyond the boundaries,” Villeneuve added.
“That’s the big difference. He’s more of a gentleman on the track. A quick driver, but a clean one.”
I don't always agree with JV, but I think he is bang on the money here. Once Lewis retires, I think in time he will come to be looked upon as possibly the greatest of all time. Certainly, in the modern era, his achievements have been all the more notable in that he has not had to resort to the sort of tactics Senna and Schumacher sometimes employed. That is no mean feat, considering how competitive it is at the sharp end, which is where Lewis has been since day one.Villeneuve believes his former rival, Michael Schumacher, brought in a culture of ‘no respect’ that is still prevalent today.
“He had a total lack of respect for other drivers and what racing is all about,” he told Swedish newspaper Expressen.
“It started an era where everyone does the same.
“I look at Formula 2 and Formula 3 and it’s weird that we don’t have a couple of deaths every year.”
Asked if he saw the same in F1, he replied: “Yes, almost everyone too.
“They change lines, they change lines and move when braking – things you should not see.”
The former World Champion added that there is one driver in today’s F1 who stands apart, Lewis Hamilton.
“Lewis is great because so far he has done nothing that is beyond the boundaries,” Villeneuve added.
“That’s the big difference. He’s more of a gentleman on the track. A quick driver, but a clean one.”
paulguitar said:
LDN said:
^ related... JV interview:
Villeneuve believes his former rival, Michael Schumacher, brought in a culture of ‘no respect’ that is still prevalent today.
“He had a total lack of respect for other drivers and what racing is all about,” he told Swedish newspaper Expressen.
“It started an era where everyone does the same.
“I look at Formula 2 and Formula 3 and it’s weird that we don’t have a couple of deaths every year.”
Asked if he saw the same in F1, he replied: “Yes, almost everyone too.
“They change lines, they change lines and move when braking – things you should not see.”
The former World Champion added that there is one driver in today’s F1 who stands apart, Lewis Hamilton.
“Lewis is great because so far he has done nothing that is beyond the boundaries,” Villeneuve added.
“That’s the big difference. He’s more of a gentleman on the track. A quick driver, but a clean one.”
I don't always agree with JV, but I think he is bang on the money here. Once Lewis retires, I think in time he will come to be looked upon as possibly the greatest of all time. Certainly, in the modern era, his achievements have been all the more notable in that he has not had to resort to the sort of tactics Senna and Schumacher sometimes employed. That is no mean feat, considering how competitive it is at the sharp end, which is where Lewis has been since day one.Villeneuve believes his former rival, Michael Schumacher, brought in a culture of ‘no respect’ that is still prevalent today.
“He had a total lack of respect for other drivers and what racing is all about,” he told Swedish newspaper Expressen.
“It started an era where everyone does the same.
“I look at Formula 2 and Formula 3 and it’s weird that we don’t have a couple of deaths every year.”
Asked if he saw the same in F1, he replied: “Yes, almost everyone too.
“They change lines, they change lines and move when braking – things you should not see.”
The former World Champion added that there is one driver in today’s F1 who stands apart, Lewis Hamilton.
“Lewis is great because so far he has done nothing that is beyond the boundaries,” Villeneuve added.
“That’s the big difference. He’s more of a gentleman on the track. A quick driver, but a clean one.”
The dominance of the Mercedes for the past 6 years has been such that he’s not really needed to resort to really dirty tactics though he’s shown, particularly when given some competition from his teammate that he’s not too reluctant to do so.
I think he’ll end up the most successful driver but not the greatest.
REALIST123 said:
He’s only been at the sharp end when he’s had a car that’s been at the sharp end.
Well...duh...REALIST123 said:
The dominance of the Mercedes for the past 6 years has been such that he’s not really needed to resort to really dirty tactics though he’s shown, particularly when given some competition from his teammate that he’s not too reluctant to do so.
I think he’ll end up the most successful driver but not the greatest.
The Mercedes has not been dominant for the whole six years by any means. He had, according to most experts, the second best car last season for example, and still managed to win the title without any foul play.I think he’ll end up the most successful driver but not the greatest.
paulguitar said:
The Mercedes has not been dominant for the whole six years by any means. He had, according to most experts, the second best car last season for example, and still managed to win the title without any foul play.
He has also usually beaten the identical car in the other garage including 2 seasons when piloted by the previous year's WDC. paulguitar said:
The Mercedes has not been dominant for the whole six years by any means. He had, according to most experts, the second best car last season for example, and still managed to win the title without any foul play.
We're those the same experts that concluded the Ferrari was the car to beat this season? Or some actual experts..?That's a genuine question. There are a few experts I think say very little, but when they do, it's often on the money.
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
The Mercedes has not been dominant for the whole six years by any means. He had, according to most experts, the second best car last season for example, and still managed to win the title without any foul play.
We're those the same experts that concluded the Ferrari was the car to beat this season? Or some actual experts..?That's a genuine question. There are a few experts I think say very little, but when they do, it's often on the money.
As to the Ferrari this year, don't write them off yet. There is a feeling in the pitlane, apparently, that if and when they can fully unlock the potential of that car, it will be what everyone was expecting from testing.
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
The Mercedes has not been dominant for the whole six years by any means. He had, according to most experts, the second best car last season for example, and still managed to win the title without any foul play.
We're those the same experts that concluded the Ferrari was the car to beat this season? Or some actual experts..?That's a genuine question. There are a few experts I think say very little, but when they do, it's often on the money.
https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/20920
HighwayStar said:
TheDeuce said:
paulguitar said:
The Mercedes has not been dominant for the whole six years by any means. He had, according to most experts, the second best car last season for example, and still managed to win the title without any foul play.
We're those the same experts that concluded the Ferrari was the car to beat this season? Or some actual experts..?That's a genuine question. There are a few experts I think say very little, but when they do, it's often on the money.
https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/20920
The thing in my opinion about the Lewis of the last few years is that he is totally focussed and just plain good at winning championships. I think he got a shock when Nico managed to steal one as, all being equal, he knew that he was simply better. After all, he had been beating Nico since they were 12. So I reckon he really learned from that. Whilst still having the same fearsome pure pace he's had since Cadet Karts, he knows now how and when to most effectively use it.
I think this means from time to time accepting that the best thing on the day may sometimes be to finish second, or fourth, if necessary. I don't think the Lewis of 2011 really was quite so wise.
I think if we'd had a Hamilton in the Ferrari team and a Hamilton in the Mercedes team, the one in the Mercedes team would have won last season. Not because the Mercedes was the better car but because on balance Mercedes were the better team.
It's early yet, but thus far this season it feels like the cars are pretty evenly matched again but Mercedes have taken a step forward as an organisation and Ferarri have, if anything, taken a step backwards.
It's early yet, but thus far this season it feels like the cars are pretty evenly matched again but Mercedes have taken a step forward as an organisation and Ferarri have, if anything, taken a step backwards.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 7th May 14:52
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