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poo at Paul's

7,700 posts

120 months

Tuesday 3rd September
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Poppiecock said:
To coin the current buzz phrase. This is just virtue signalling. He still flies all over the world in private jets, it's just that he now uses rented aircraft rather than his own. I"d be rather more impressed if someone saw him flying to Monza by Ryanair.
I queued up behind Johnny Herbert at Luton going to Nice on Easyjet one afternoon, when he was still driving in F1!
He's proper tiny! I nearly offered to take him as my hand luggage!

Poppiecock

755 posts

3 months

Tuesday 3rd September
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poo at Paul's said:
I queued up behind Johnny Herbert at Luton going to Nice on Easyjet one afternoon, when he was still driving in F1!
He's proper tiny! I nearly offered to take him as my hand luggage!
Johnny Herbert. Eco Warrior.


C70R

5,270 posts

49 months

Tuesday 3rd September
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Poppiecock said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
This is such a hack opinion. Some veggie burgers and sausages are delicious. I would say, if you're prepared to eat who knows what parts of animals that have been mushed up into a slurry and formed into a disc or a cylinder, why would you be against doing the same to vegetables or other protein? Because, you know, it's not the shape that's the problem, it's the bit where the animal is killed.
I just find it bizarre that vegans spend ages trying to make stuff look and taste like meat.

It's almost as if the human as a species is genetically designed to seek out and eat meat.
You'd have to be pretty thick or trolling to have this view of vegetarians/vegans.

I can't decide which.

RemarkLima

661 posts

157 months

Tuesday 3rd September
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DS240 said:
If you’ve decided to be vegan then just go about your life being vegan.

Why does everyone who’s gone vegan feel the need to bleat on about it to the point of preaching.
I think it's generally you get a hard time from the meat eaters and hence spend a lot of time trying to explain your position... Years of being a vegetarian is a pain when you just want to get on with your life without having to explain your choices about food!

Same as people blocking electric car chargers... Just the establishlished norm bucking against change maybe?

TheDeuce

2,797 posts

11 months

Tuesday 3rd September
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RemarkLima said:
I think it's generally you get a hard time from the meat eaters and hence spend a lot of time trying to explain your position... Years of being a vegetarian is a pain when you just want to get on with your life without having to explain your choices about food!

Same as people blocking electric car chargers... Just the establishlished norm bucking against change maybe?
I have no reaction to Vegetarians/Vegans until they state that something like a cottage pie is 'just as good' if it doesn't contain meat. Which is nonsense - a cottage pie is a recipe arrived at based upon a combination of ingredients. If those ingredients didn't contain meat, then a recipe just as good could be arrived at, but it wouldn't be the same recipe. The ingredients have to lead to the creation of a classic dish - you can't reverse engineer the same dish and swap out the key elements. That is not craftsmanship, that is substitution, compromise.

When looking at vegetarian ingredients, I celebrate dishes such as nut roast stuffed marrow, delicious! Everything from texture to taste to presentation in such a dish is a perfect celebration of vegetarian food.

A facsimile dish however is compromised by nature. The potato topping on a veggie cottage pie can never be as wonderful if it's meat free - the fats in the meat won't rise and combine with the potato topping and give it a fondant finish - because there is no meat, no fat. If there hadn't been a meat cottage pie in the first place, I doubt very much a vegetarian chef would have decided such a dish was the ideal use for veg.

I eat a lot of veggie food, I have to - at photo-shoots I work on these days there is frequently no meat, and most stuff is vegan. I love proper food and that doesn't require meat. It does require passion though. Passion creates... it doesn't need to copy.

The most successful vegetarian and vegan restaurants are celebrated, they are impressive. But you won't find facsimile dishes on offer. Highly processed veggie meat substitutes will never be the cornerstone of a meat-free revolution. If you wanna cook with veg, it has to be done with as much passion and care as those of us would garner on cooking the perfect steak. Real, basic ingredients handled properly and bought together to make a dish that relies upon it's ingredients and the combination of those ingredients. Not a dish that relies upon some similarity to the dish you really want to eat if you didn't feel guilty about it.

vdn

6,653 posts

148 months

Tuesday 3rd September
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TheDeuce said:
RemarkLima said:
I think it's generally you get a hard time from the meat eaters and hence spend a lot of time trying to explain your position... Years of being a vegetarian is a pain when you just want to get on with your life without having to explain your choices about food!

Same as people blocking electric car chargers... Just the establishlished norm bucking against change maybe?
I have no reaction to Vegetarians/Vegans until they state that something like a cottage pie is 'just as good' if it doesn't contain meat. Which is nonsense - a cottage pie is a recipe arrived at based upon a combination of ingredients. If those ingredients didn't contain meat, then a recipe just as good could be arrived at, but it wouldn't be the same recipe. The ingredients have to lead to the creation of a classic dish - you can't reverse engineer the same dish and swap out the key elements. That is not craftsmanship, that is substitution, compromise.

When looking at vegetarian ingredients, I celebrate dishes such as nut roast stuffed marrow, delicious! Everything from texture to taste to presentation in such a dish is a perfect celebration of vegetarian food.

A facsimile dish however is compromised by nature. The potato topping on a veggie cottage pie can never be as wonderful if it's meat free - the fats in the meat won't rise and combine with the potato topping and give it a fondant finish - because there is no meat, no fat. If there hadn't been a meat cottage pie in the first place, I doubt very much a vegetarian chef would have decided such a dish was the ideal use for veg.

I eat a lot of veggie food, I have to - at photo-shoots I work on these days there is frequently no meat, and most stuff is vegan. I love proper food and that doesn't require meat. It does require passion though. Passion creates... it doesn't need to copy.

The most successful vegetarian and vegan restaurants are celebrated, they are impressive. But you won't find facsimile dishes on offer. Highly processed veggie meat substitutes will never be the cornerstone of a meat-free revolution. If you wanna cook with veg, it has to be done with as much passion and care as those of us would garner on cooking the perfect steak. Real, basic ingredients handled properly and bought together to make a dish that relies upon it's ingredients and the combination of those ingredients. Not a dish that relies upon some similarity to the dish you really want to eat if you didn't feel guilty about it.
Fair points to some extent... but there are things, like Quorn mince,that taste great and can act as a substitute dish for most people.

But I agree with you that some vegan / vege food is brilliant in its own right.

TheDeuce

2,797 posts

11 months

Wednesday 4th September
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vdn said:
Fair points to some extent... but there are things, like Quorn mince,that taste great and can act as a substitute dish for most people.

But I agree with you that some vegan / vege food is brilliant in its own right.
I just think that the dishes we all know and love, we know and love for a reason. Because they are the perfect coming together of a set of ingredients.

The fact of the matter is, that from a cooking pov, quorn mince behaves differently and has a different contribution to the end result. That's not to say it can't contribute to a great dish, providing you're OK with heavily processed food, but it can't ever be a direct replacement for what meat mince delivers to classic dishes. There is so much more interaction in the cooking process than a single ingredient that has been engineered to mimic the taste and texture of another.

I also have to agree with you in the end though for 'most people' that use Quorn, I do believe it's a good enough substitute for them. I think in the end, serious foodie's avoid facsimile ingredients, especially if heavily processed regardless of whether or not they eat meat. But a lot of people simply are not so food focused, and as a result are perfectly happy to switch and swap without creating anything new with what they have to hand. I respect that also.

Poppiecock

755 posts

3 months

Wednesday 4th September
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TheDeuce said:
The fact of the matter is, that from a cooking pov, quorn mince behaves differently and has a different contribution to the end result.
The irony here is that vegans / vegetarians often talk about clean eating. Quorn is must less 'clean' than a minced beef / lamb / pork / chicken / turkey. It's full of all kinds of weird additives in order to make it mimic meat.

glazbagun

9,855 posts

142 months

Wednesday 4th September
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TheDeuce said:
A facsimile dish however is compromised by nature.
I hate myself for further polluting the LH thread with my opinions of food, but this I agree with completely. A chicken/bacon hunter sandwich with barbecue sauce will never be beaten by a vegetable substitute, but if Pav Bhaji were the only food in the world and someone suggested adding bacon, it would be sacrilege.

paua

1,274 posts

88 months

Wednesday 4th September
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You people are all in the WRONG thread, this one is an F1 thread.
Bugger off

TheDeuce

2,797 posts

11 months

Wednesday 4th September
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Poppiecock said:
The irony here is that vegans / vegetarians often talk about clean eating. Quorn is must less 'clean' than a minced beef / lamb / pork / chicken / turkey. It's full of all kinds of weird additives in order to make it mimic meat.
Just in general, avoid processed food. Partly because there is an environmental and health cost etc, but mostly because... What sort of fool cooks with ingredients already processed!? If you're not in control of the process from start to finish then their is no joy or satisfaction - cooking becomes a chore, not a passion. The end result will never truly be your own, and that feeds in to everything from how people respect your views on food, to how your kids react when they first break free and discover a world that has McDonalds in it.

If you really care about what you and others eat, take it seriously. Taking it seriously so obviously doesn't start with digging around in the freezer for an orange labelled packet of processed food. If 50 years ago McDonald's had wanted to make a chain of veggie restaurants, the first thing they would have done was create a Quorn equivalent.

TheDeuce

2,797 posts

11 months

Wednesday 4th September
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paua said:
You people are all in the WRONG thread, this one is an F1 thread.
Bugger off
I do agree, despite having polluted this (already slightly polluted) thread myself.

On the other hand, people with strange ideas appear to have broken through the PH town walls and should be dealt with before this gets out of hand wink

I wouldn't worry too much. The next retort will be a demand that their opinions are respected, in spite of ignoring the logic or opposing viewpoints. That will pretty much nullify the debate and we can get back to discussing LH and whatever new ways people think he's not the best driver - despite repeatedly beating the other drivers in a competition specifically designed to work out who the best driver is smile

vdn

6,653 posts

148 months

Wednesday 4th September
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TheDeuce said:
paua said:
You people are all in the WRONG thread, this one is an F1 thread.
Bugger off
I do agree, despite having polluted this (already slightly polluted) thread myself.

On the other hand, people with strange ideas appear to have broken through the PH town walls and should be dealt with before this gets out of hand wink

I wouldn't worry too much. The next retort will be a demand that their opinions are respected, in spite of ignoring the logic or opposing viewpoints. That will pretty much nullify the debate and we can get back to discussing LH and whatever new ways people think he's not the best driver - despite repeatedly beating the other drivers in a competition specifically designed to work out who the best driver is smile
... and that he should never have put denim with that top hehe

slipstream 1985

6,535 posts

124 months

Wednesday 4th September
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paua said:
You people are all in the WRONG thread, this one is an F1 thread.
Burger off
Fixed that for you smile

paua

1,274 posts

88 months

Wednesday 4th September
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slipstream 1985 said:
paua said:
You people are all in the WRONG thread, this one is an F1 thread.
Burger off
Fixed that for you smile
Well done (over-cooked). wink

Teddy Lop

1,594 posts

12 months

Wednesday 4th September
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RemarkLima said:
I think it's generally you get a hard time from the meat eaters and hence spend a lot of time trying to explain your position... Years of being a vegetarian is a pain when you just want to get on with your life without having to explain your choices about food!

Same as people blocking electric car chargers... Just the establishlished norm bucking against change maybe?
if you're the kind of vegan who goes through life trying to prove to all and sundry it makes you inherently superior and more worthy with all manner of pseudoscience pap you'll get 17 tons of st poured on you wherever you go, same as any nutty belief system.

If you're the rare kind of vegan who enjoys his own decisions enough to STFU unless someone else actually wants to know people generally won't think you're a front-bottom.

E-bmw

5,067 posts

97 months

Wednesday 4th September
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Teddy Lop said:
if you're the kind of vegan who goes through life trying to prove to all and sundry it makes you inherently superior and more worthy with all manner of pseudoscience pap you'll get 17 tons of st poured on you wherever you go, same as any nut-roasty belief system.

If you're the rare kind of vegan who enjoys his own decisions enough to STFU unless someone else actually wants to know people generally won't think you're a front-bottom.
FTFY! wink

OFORBES

225 posts

45 months

Wednesday 4th September
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Back on topic. Not sure if its been mentioned previously in this thread, but has anyone else noticed a real difference in LH this season in interviews?

He seems so much more relaxed, personable, open and honest than he has done in all his previous years in F1..

Its made me warm to him more than I have before, its quite refreshing to see.


768

4,929 posts

41 months

Wednesday 4th September
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I think he's matured gradually over the years and become more likeable as a result. These guys have quite odd lives and I think it can take a while to find their own feet in a competitive environment. Max is following a similar path, Leclerc seems to have turned up with the maturity at the start of his career you'd normally expect from someone at the end of theirs.

OFORBES

225 posts

45 months

Wednesday 4th September
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I totally agree with your views on CLC. Seems to have such a mature head on such young shoulders. He did show his age a little bit earlier in the season (Baku & Monaco), but overall, I think he has done an unbelievable job for his first season at the SF.