Lewis Hamilton

[vdn]

Kenny Powers said:

What’s with this “triggered” thing I keep seeing now? Is it the latest meme for putting down people who have something to say on a subject?

No, it’s a term to describe someone who is overly upset about something that they could easily ignore

[Kenny Powers]

vdn said:

Kenny Powers said:

What’s with this “triggered” thing I keep seeing now? Is it the latest meme for putting down people who have something to say on a subject?

No, it’s a term to describe someone who is overly upset about something that they could easily ignore

Right. You mean someone who disagrees with you. Got it

[isaldiri]

37chevy said:

keep up, that was sold a year ago when he decided to take a more eco friendly approach to flying.

Hamilton might have sold his private jet but I think it's rather unlikely he's gone back to slumming it on first class rather than simply chartering another private jet when needed.....

[Andy S15]

Thing is, I can see both sides of this argument. Making a difference doesn't have to be all of nothing, you don't need to be full vegan to play your part. It would make an enormous difference if everyone dropped meat from their week for one day - putting the subsequent loss of farming jobs and thousands of animals to then cull aside - but a mixed message and perceived hypocritical nature does damage the overall message that activists try to give, in general. The modern requirement to be an activist who can be taken seriously is to be absolutely squeaky clean.

The balance is this - Lewis uses his fame and notoriety to reach a wider audience and spread a message. If he gave up racing, would his fan base dwindle? Would his notoriety and fame wane? Would his soapbox therefore become a lot smaller? May that even be a good thing for such a polarising personality?! Who knows.

However, as a regular, relatable person (the size of his fanbase is testament to his 'relatable' nature, more so than a lot of other athletes), he spreads a powerful message. As a racing driver, he is just a racing driver going about his racing driver business. Those two things can be mutually exclusive, but the perception is indeed a watered down message and a devaluing of his activism. Basically, he can't win. Unless he gives up racing and takes up cycling. People generally don't react well to preaching unless it comes from a position of perfection.

[37chevy]

isaldiri said:

Hamilton might have sold his private jet but I think it's rather unlikely he's gone back to slumming it on first class rather than simply chartering another private jet when needed.....

proof please?

[37chevy]

Andy S15 said:

Thing is, I can see both sides of this argument. Making a difference doesn't have to be all of nothing, you don't need to be full vegan to play your part. It would make an enormous difference if everyone dropped meat from their week for one day - putting the subsequent loss of farming jobs and thousands of animals to then cull aside - but a mixed message and perceived hypocritical nature does damage the overall message that activists try to give, in general. The modern requirement to be an activist who can be taken seriously is to be absolutely squeaky clean.

The balance is this - Lewis uses his fame and notoriety to reach a wider audience and spread a message. If he gave up racing, would his fan base dwindle? Would his notoriety and fame wane? Would his soapbox therefore become a lot smaller? May that even be a good thing for such a polarising personality?! Who knows.

However, as a regular, relatable person (the size of his fanbase is testament to his 'relatable' nature, more so than a lot of other athletes), he spreads a powerful message. As a racing driver, he is just a racing driver going about his racing driver business. Those two things can be mutually exclusive, but the perception is indeed a watered down message and a devaluing of his activism. Basically, he can't win. Unless he gives up racing and takes up cycling. People generally don't react well to preaching unless it comes from a position of perfection.

spot on that.

[London424]

Andy S15 said:

Thing is, I can see both sides of this argument. Making a difference doesn't have to be all of nothing, you don't need to be full vegan to play your part. It would make an enormous difference if everyone dropped meat from their week for one day - putting the subsequent loss of farming jobs and thousands of animals to then cull aside - but a mixed message and perceived hypocritical nature does damage the overall message that activists try to give, in general. The modern requirement to be an activist who can be taken seriously is to be absolutely squeaky clean.

The balance is this - Lewis uses his fame and notoriety to reach a wider audience and spread a message. If he gave up racing, would his fan base dwindle? Would his notoriety and fame wane? Would his soapbox therefore become a lot smaller? May that even be a good thing for such a polarising personality?! Who knows.

However, as a regular, relatable person (the size of his fanbase is testament to his 'relatable' nature, more so than a lot of other athletes), he spreads a powerful message. As a racing driver, he is just a racing driver going about his racing driver business. Those two things can be mutually exclusive, but the perception is indeed a watered down message and a devaluing of his activism. Basically, he can't win. Unless he gives up racing and takes up cycling. People generally don't react well to preaching unless it comes from a position of perfection.

Unless you are willing to compromise aspects of your life for your cause then i'm not going to listen to you. It obviously can't be that important.

[super7]

The simple problem that most people overlook in all this climate crap is that we've overpopulated our little planet.

We used to have a life expectancy of 70ish odd years, now it's mid 80's. The largest group of people in the world are the elderly. We have a "Human Right" to bosh out loads of kids. We manage to keep all those kids alive, they all grow up and bosh out even more. We need more cows to feed them, so chop down more forests to make way for them. All these kids need cars when they grow up, and mobile phones.... etc etc etc

Nature had a way of managing the population, we developed medical care to overcome that. It's all our own fault. Natural selection and disease kept us under control, now we keep that under control. It's Just being human and having developed that's caused this.

So now Nature has to press the CTRL-ALT-DELETE button and re-boot. We won't be able to stop that....

In the meantime.... F1 Has a massive footprint. BUT.... It also is the first line of development of what we end up driving on the roads. The Mercedes engine is now more that 50% efficient of the energy put into it, as to what comes out. If that is translated into a road engine, then the carbon footprint of F1 could be viewed as insignificant to what is saved elsewhere.....

Roll on 2020 and the new regs in 2021 and let me renew my Health Insurance!!!!! :-)

[ntiz]

I’m all for being greener etc.

But in his particular case it does feel a bit odd. Mainly because he makes his fortune being part of one of the biggest grotesque waste of resources going!

I love F1 but flying huge amounts of equipment and people to the other side of the world to burn a shed load of petrol and tyres going around in circles so that we can say who did it best!! From an eco point of view it’s totally fking mental.

Then he jumps on flights to 3-4 different locations between races. Okay not a private jet anymore but planes are still pretty bad.

I have no problem with any of this but it’s a bit awkward to then try and preach being green.

[E34-3.2]

37chevy said:

Andy S15 said:

Thing is, I can see both sides of this argument. Making a difference doesn't have to be all of nothing, you don't need to be full vegan to play your part. It would make an enormous difference if everyone dropped meat from their week for one day - putting the subsequent loss of farming jobs and thousands of animals to then cull aside - but a mixed message and perceived hypocritical nature does damage the overall message that activists try to give, in general. The modern requirement to be an activist who can be taken seriously is to be absolutely squeaky clean.

The balance is this - Lewis uses his fame and notoriety to reach a wider audience and spread a message. If he gave up racing, would his fan base dwindle? Would his notoriety and fame wane? Would his soapbox therefore become a lot smaller? May that even be a good thing for such a polarising personality?! Who knows.

However, as a regular, relatable person (the size of his fanbase is testament to his 'relatable' nature, more so than a lot of other athletes), he spreads a powerful message. As a racing driver, he is just a racing driver going about his racing driver business. Those two things can be mutually exclusive, but the perception is indeed a watered down message and a devaluing of his activism. Basically, he can't win. Unless he gives up racing and takes up cycling. People generally don't react well to preaching unless it comes from a position of perfection.

spot on that.

Agree. People are talking about his latest tweet more than anything else. Another victory.

[isaldiri]

37chevy said:

proof please?

You are the one claiming he's 'taken a more eco friendly approach to flying'.....

[37chevy]

ntiz said:

I’m all for being greener etc.

But in his particular case it does feel a bit odd. Mainly because he makes his fortune being part of one of the biggest grotesque waste of resources going!

I love F1 but flying huge amounts of equipment and people to the other side of the world to burn a shed load of petrol and tyres going around in circles so that we can say who did it best!! From an eco point of view it’s totally fking mental.

Then he jumps on flights to 3-4 different locations between races. Okay not a private jet anymore but planes are still pretty bad.

I have no problem with any of this but it’s a bit awkward to then try and preach being green.

Really? It’s certainly nowhere near the biggest waste, or the biggest polluter. Technological advancements from F1 has lead to massive efficiency gains in road technology whether that’s fuel, tyres, engines etc

You can still work In a sector that is wasteful and still hold an opinion which isn’t necessarily compatible...and it’s not hypocritical to do so.

[37chevy]

isaldiri said:

37chevy said:

proof please?

You are the one claiming he's 'taken a more eco friendly approach to flying'.....

Yes, and my claim is correct...he no longer has a private jet .

Now back up your claim please

[kiseca]

London424 said:

Unless you are willing to compromise aspects of your life for your cause then i'm not going to listen to you. It obviously can't be that important.

He is. Whatever the benefits of going vegan are, the world gets the same benefit when he goes vegan as it does when someone who doesn't drive racing cars for a living goes vegan, for instance. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. That's an easy fallback for anyone who doesn't like the message being preached in the first place.

Frankly, if it's all or nothing, then any eco-warrior who has had children is off my list..... and Hamilton has had none, yet.

[37chevy]

ntiz said:

Then he jumps on flights to 3-4 different locations between races. Okay not a private jet anymore but planes are still pretty bad.

Look at the stats. In CO2 emissions per year

A transatlantic flight 1.6t
Owning a vehicle 2.4t
Having a child 58.6t

Cows produce more C02 than any other sector at 18% of global C02 emissions...that’s more than planes, cars and other forms of transport put together.

I’d say Lewis is doing his part by going vegan and not having kids....his carbon footprint from not having a child massively outweighs the plane trips alone

[isaldiri]

37chevy said:

Yes, and my claim is correct...he no longer has a private jet .

Now back up your claim please

Selling his private jet does not equal to not flying by said method of transport. Perhaps flying by netjets or similar is oh so very much more eco friendly than owning one yourself (and financially more sensible too as it turns out...) though in which case you would I suppose still be right.

[37chevy]

isaldiri said:

Selling his private jet does not equal to not flying by said method of transport. Perhaps flying by netjets or similar is oh so very much more eco friendly than owning one yourself (and financially more sensible too as it turns out...) though in which case you would I suppose still be right.

I never claimed he cut it out completely, just that he was more eco friendly, which he is.

[Exige77]

37chevy said:

ntiz said:

Then he jumps on flights to 3-4 different locations between races. Okay not a private jet anymore but planes are still pretty bad.

Look at the stats. In CO2 emissions per year

A transatlantic flight 1.6t
Owning a vehicle 2.4t
Having a child 58.6t

Cows produce more C02 than any other sector at 18% of global C02 emissions...that’s more than planes, cars and other forms of transport put together.

I’d say Lewis is doing his part by going vegan and not having kids....his carbon footprint from not having a child massively outweighs the plane trips alone

At least vehicles have some benefit, they move people and goods to enable trade which generates some revenue which can in turn fund good things.

Eating meat also has some value as part of a balanced diet.

But, Lewis’s other passion “fashion” has no real upside. One of the worlds greatest polluters with no real value other than to those who own the brands. As fashion is getting faster and faster, new garments are worn less and less and flown more and more.

How does Lewis square that circle ?

I’m one of Lewis’s greatest supporters BTW.

[C70R]

TheDeuce said:

DS240 said:

Now preaching about everyone going vegan... ‘only way to save the world’.

Excellent F1 driver, probably at least as good as any other. Sadly he also plays up to/gets obsessed with all things millennial! Whatever, no-ones perfect. I shall judge him only as an F1 driver.

It is difficult to ignore his recent hair style decision though. It appears to be a fringe of dreadlocks that he sweeps behind his ears, and a tussled bit at the back. I'm 99% sure he only re-invents his hair every few races to annoy people like me though

Imagine getting annoyed by someone's hair...

Let that sink in for a moment.

A sportsperson's hair annoyed you.

[London424]

kiseca said:

London424 said:

Unless you are willing to compromise aspects of your life for your cause then i'm not going to listen to you. It obviously can't be that important.

He is. Whatever the benefits of going vegan are, the world gets the same benefit when he goes vegan as it does when someone who doesn't drive racing cars for a living goes vegan, for instance. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. That's an easy fallback for anyone who doesn't like the message being preached in the first place.

Frankly, if it's all or nothing, then any eco-warrior who has had children is off my list..... and Hamilton has had none, yet.

That's not impacting his life. He's just choosing to eat different foods.

Lot's of celebrities like to take a high and mighty moral stance right up until the point that it impacts their bottom line.

See Lebron James for another recent example.