Lewis Hamilton
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vdn said:
Don’t bother. Kenny has always struggled with logic and facts. Apparently a social media post is forcing an opinion down one’s throat. Like a gun to one’s head.
Tells you all you need to know.
Stage 2 - become aggressive with opponent Tells you all you need to know.
I'll now leave you guys to mob someone else who doesn't agree with you. I have said my piece.
Kenny Powers said:
vdn said:
Don’t bother. Kenny has always struggled with logic and facts. Apparently a social media post is forcing an opinion down one’s throat. Like a gun to one’s head.
Tells you all you need to know.
Stage 2 - become aggressive with opponent Tells you all you need to know.
I'll now leave you guys to mob someone else who doesn't agree with you. I have said my piece.
I think I get the cut of your jib.
Graveworm said:
The_Nugget said:
Oh please!
Hard to take someone seriously bemoaning our lack of care for the planet and CO2 emissions, whilst simultaneously burning fossil fuels racing round in circles, as part of a massive entourage of people travelling round the world in (private) planes, trucks and ships.
Don’t get me wrong, I love F1, and the carbon footprint is minuscule compared to the overall global emissions issue, but people in glass houses...
I am not sure why this precludes him from sharing his views if he believes them . Many doctors smoke or are overweight they still tell others of the dangers. He has a platform infinitely more influential than any doctor. If he's right then he can only help. Hard to take someone seriously bemoaning our lack of care for the planet and CO2 emissions, whilst simultaneously burning fossil fuels racing round in circles, as part of a massive entourage of people travelling round the world in (private) planes, trucks and ships.
Don’t get me wrong, I love F1, and the carbon footprint is minuscule compared to the overall global emissions issue, but people in glass houses...
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vdn said:
Kenny Powers said:
vdn said:
Don’t bother. Kenny has always struggled with logic and facts. Apparently a social media post is forcing an opinion down one’s throat. Like a gun to one’s head.
Tells you all you need to know.
Stage 2 - become aggressive with opponent Tells you all you need to know.
I'll now leave you guys to mob someone else who doesn't agree with you. I have said my piece.
I think I get the cut of your jib.
It’s amusing that it seems to be ok for Kenny to disagree with us, but not for us to disagree with Kenny and others...and yet we’re the mob
Edited by 37chevy on Thursday 17th October 14:42
I find him inspiring, as a driver and as a focused athlete who has stayed on top of his game most of his adult life - in itself makes him a mental and physical giant and puts most of us to shame.
I also think in our current crazy times if you have a platform then you should use it. People follow him so he has a duty (not just a right) to say what he thinks. He is in the arena, we are just spectators. Maybe he won’t change the world, but hey if he creates the debate and some small changes in just a few people then that’s a good use of his influence.
As for the cause then being accused of all sorts comes with the territory. I’m in my fifties and have been vegan for a long time. I don’t preach to anyone, but when it comes up at business dinners etc I still get asked why I wear leather shoes etc as if it’s better to slaughter the cattle and eat the big steak than to own an old pair of leather shoes. We live in odd times where some mild inconsistency in lifestyle is held up as hypocrisy, and where hypocrisy is the worst crime of all.
Back to Lewis. I hope he keeps speaking up, creating debate, can take the heat, and continue to drive with sublime ability. Still I rise...
I also think in our current crazy times if you have a platform then you should use it. People follow him so he has a duty (not just a right) to say what he thinks. He is in the arena, we are just spectators. Maybe he won’t change the world, but hey if he creates the debate and some small changes in just a few people then that’s a good use of his influence.
As for the cause then being accused of all sorts comes with the territory. I’m in my fifties and have been vegan for a long time. I don’t preach to anyone, but when it comes up at business dinners etc I still get asked why I wear leather shoes etc as if it’s better to slaughter the cattle and eat the big steak than to own an old pair of leather shoes. We live in odd times where some mild inconsistency in lifestyle is held up as hypocrisy, and where hypocrisy is the worst crime of all.
Back to Lewis. I hope he keeps speaking up, creating debate, can take the heat, and continue to drive with sublime ability. Still I rise...
Cards on table: I'm a huge fan of Lewis and can see both sides of the argument. I wont regurgitate the last 10 or so pages. Reading the various arguments for and against climate change and veganism reminds me of the easily persuaded simpleton character in The Fast Show who would change his mind every time someone put their side of the argument across. I simply don't know who or what to believe. It reminds me of the B word and Scottish Indyref, there is no middle ground you have to be on one side or the other.
Lewis comes across as an extremely positive person most of the time (when he's winning) but the tone and style of his IG post didn't sit right with me.
My phone was buzzing with notifications after his post to click on various outlets to read of Lewis' impending retirement. You can see that the media love him hes box office and gets clicks. Maybe there is a point to his post and if it came from him, his PR team need to have a word with him. If it came from his PR team, then he needs to have a word with them.
His message could have been delivered so much better without the virtuous lecturing and faux drama, particularly when you consider what he does for a living and his other non-eco friendly interests. The cynic in me thinks that its stunt to coincide with the movie launch but maybe he will follow it up with some positive action rather than another weird needy IG post.
I guess I hope he stops acting like a tit and just drives the car like we all he can but he certainly gets people talking and typing, that's "for sure".
Lewis comes across as an extremely positive person most of the time (when he's winning) but the tone and style of his IG post didn't sit right with me.
My phone was buzzing with notifications after his post to click on various outlets to read of Lewis' impending retirement. You can see that the media love him hes box office and gets clicks. Maybe there is a point to his post and if it came from him, his PR team need to have a word with him. If it came from his PR team, then he needs to have a word with them.
His message could have been delivered so much better without the virtuous lecturing and faux drama, particularly when you consider what he does for a living and his other non-eco friendly interests. The cynic in me thinks that its stunt to coincide with the movie launch but maybe he will follow it up with some positive action rather than another weird needy IG post.
I guess I hope he stops acting like a tit and just drives the car like we all he can but he certainly gets people talking and typing, that's "for sure".
Blink982 said:
Cards on table: I'm a huge fan of Lewis and can see both sides of the argument. I wont regurgitate the last 10 or so pages. Reading the various arguments for and against climate change and veganism reminds me of the easily persuaded simpleton character in The Fast Show who would change his mind every time someone put their side of the argument across. I simply don't know who or what to believe. It reminds me of the B word and Scottish Indyref, there is no middle ground you have to be on one side or the other.
Lewis comes across as an extremely positive person most of the time (when he's winning) but the tone and style of his IG post didn't sit right with me.
My phone was buzzing with notifications after his post to click on various outlets to read of Lewis' impending retirement. You can see that the media love him hes box office and gets clicks. Maybe there is a point to his post and if it came from him, his PR team need to have a word with him. If it came from his PR team, then he needs to have a word with them.
His message could have been delivered so much better without the virtuous lecturing and faux drama, particularly when you consider what he does for a living and his other non-eco friendly interests. The cynic in me thinks that its stunt to coincide with the movie launch but maybe he will follow it up with some positive action rather than another weird needy IG post.
I guess I hope he stops acting like a tit and just drives the car like we all he can but he certainly gets people talking and typing, that's "for sure".
Related; have you seen the film yet? Lewis comes across as an extremely positive person most of the time (when he's winning) but the tone and style of his IG post didn't sit right with me.
My phone was buzzing with notifications after his post to click on various outlets to read of Lewis' impending retirement. You can see that the media love him hes box office and gets clicks. Maybe there is a point to his post and if it came from him, his PR team need to have a word with him. If it came from his PR team, then he needs to have a word with them.
His message could have been delivered so much better without the virtuous lecturing and faux drama, particularly when you consider what he does for a living and his other non-eco friendly interests. The cynic in me thinks that its stunt to coincide with the movie launch but maybe he will follow it up with some positive action rather than another weird needy IG post.
I guess I hope he stops acting like a tit and just drives the car like we all he can but he certainly gets people talking and typing, that's "for sure".
Blink982 said:
vdn said:
Related; have you seen the film yet?
Nope and thanks to the 56k dialup-esque wifi speeds where I am at present, I'll have to wait a few weeks until I return before I can. I do intend watching it though. As an aside; I’m not sure Hamilton is promoting the film that much; some might say that he’s upset he’s not in it more... he’s only in it for about 30 seconds!
Exige77 said:
C70R said:
Exige77 said:
C70R said:
Exige77 said:
37chevy said:
ntiz said:
Then he jumps on flights to 3-4 different locations between races. Okay not a private jet anymore but planes are still pretty bad.
Look at the stats. In CO2 emissions per yearA transatlantic flight 1.6t
Owning a vehicle 2.4t
Having a child 58.6t
Cows produce more C02 than any other sector at 18% of global C02 emissions...that’s more than planes, cars and other forms of transport put together.
I’d say Lewis is doing his part by going vegan and not having kids....his carbon footprint from not having a child massively outweighs the plane trips alone
Eating meat also has some value as part of a balanced diet.
But, Lewis’s other passion “fashion” has no real upside. One of the worlds greatest polluters with no real value other than to those who own the brands. As fashion is getting faster and faster, new garments are worn less and less and flown more and more.
How does Lewis square that circle ?
I’m one of Lewis’s greatest supporters BTW.
I'm not sure, even with the most tenuous leaps, you could claim that Lewis's association with a high fashion brand is directly responsible for that.
The whole process starts with the premiums and their celebrity promoters.
Fast fashion (and its impact on the environment) hasn't suddenly boomed because a bunch of vacuous celebs put their names to clothing lines.
The clothing industry is dominated by the fast fashion companies who copy what celebs wear and promote.
Asos even mentions this in its name.
The greater wealth and the internet is growing this wasteful industry rapidly.
Ask any young people what they buy.
Buy stuff, wear it once then back of the wardrobe. The cheap stuff has same carbon footprint as the expensive stuff per piece except millions of people buy them.
But I don't think that the blame lies with any celebrity endorsing a high fashion brand.
That has been going on since the 1800s, and really ramped up post-WW1. It's not a new thing.
C70R said:
Exige77 said:
C70R said:
Exige77 said:
C70R said:
Exige77 said:
37chevy said:
ntiz said:
Then he jumps on flights to 3-4 different locations between races. Okay not a private jet anymore but planes are still pretty bad.
Look at the stats. In CO2 emissions per yearA transatlantic flight 1.6t
Owning a vehicle 2.4t
Having a child 58.6t
Cows produce more C02 than any other sector at 18% of global C02 emissions...that’s more than planes, cars and other forms of transport put together.
I’d say Lewis is doing his part by going vegan and not having kids....his carbon footprint from not having a child massively outweighs the plane trips alone
Eating meat also has some value as part of a balanced diet.
But, Lewis’s other passion “fashion” has no real upside. One of the worlds greatest polluters with no real value other than to those who own the brands. As fashion is getting faster and faster, new garments are worn less and less and flown more and more.
How does Lewis square that circle ?
I’m one of Lewis’s greatest supporters BTW.
I'm not sure, even with the most tenuous leaps, you could claim that Lewis's association with a high fashion brand is directly responsible for that.
The whole process starts with the premiums and their celebrity promoters.
Fast fashion (and its impact on the environment) hasn't suddenly boomed because a bunch of vacuous celebs put their names to clothing lines.
The clothing industry is dominated by the fast fashion companies who copy what celebs wear and promote.
Asos even mentions this in its name.
The greater wealth and the internet is growing this wasteful industry rapidly.
Ask any young people what they buy.
Buy stuff, wear it once then back of the wardrobe. The cheap stuff has same carbon footprint as the expensive stuff per piece except millions of people buy them.
But I don't think that the blame lies with any celebrity endorsing a high fashion brand.
That has been going on since the 1800s, and really ramped up post-WW1. It's not a new thing.
Are you sure your familiar with the industry and average people’s behaviour?
The internet ?
Instagram ?
Celebrities ?
Blink982 said:
Cards on table: I'm a huge fan of Lewis and can see both sides of the argument. I wont regurgitate the last 10 or so pages. Reading the various arguments for and against climate change and veganism reminds me of the easily persuaded simpleton character in The Fast Show who would change his mind every time someone put their side of the argument across. I simply don't know who or what to believe. It reminds me of the B word and Scottish Indyref, there is no middle ground you have to be on one side or the other.
Lewis comes across as an extremely positive person most of the time (when he's winning) but the tone and style of his IG post didn't sit right with me.
My phone was buzzing with notifications after his post to click on various outlets to read of Lewis' impending retirement. You can see that the media love him hes box office and gets clicks. Maybe there is a point to his post and if it came from him, his PR team need to have a word with him. If it came from his PR team, then he needs to have a word with them.
His message could have been delivered so much better without the virtuous lecturing and faux drama, particularly when you consider what he does for a living and his other non-eco friendly interests. The cynic in me thinks that its stunt to coincide with the movie launch but maybe he will follow it up with some positive action rather than another weird needy IG post.
I guess I hope he stops acting like a tit and just drives the car like we all he can but he certainly gets people talking and typing, that's "for sure".
A friend and fellow Lewis fan got talking with Ms Cullen earlier this year.Lewis comes across as an extremely positive person most of the time (when he's winning) but the tone and style of his IG post didn't sit right with me.
My phone was buzzing with notifications after his post to click on various outlets to read of Lewis' impending retirement. You can see that the media love him hes box office and gets clicks. Maybe there is a point to his post and if it came from him, his PR team need to have a word with him. If it came from his PR team, then he needs to have a word with them.
His message could have been delivered so much better without the virtuous lecturing and faux drama, particularly when you consider what he does for a living and his other non-eco friendly interests. The cynic in me thinks that its stunt to coincide with the movie launch but maybe he will follow it up with some positive action rather than another weird needy IG post.
I guess I hope he stops acting like a tit and just drives the car like we all he can but he certainly gets people talking and typing, that's "for sure".
She said that whenever he has a bad race weekend, they frequently have “meaning of life” type conversations.
The typhoon on Saturday has probably taken more than 80 lives. F1 hunkered down and carried-on as if nothing had happened on Sunday.
Saturday was an example of Climate change demonstrating just how devastating it is going to get. With so many followers, I think that it would have been odd for Lewis to just shrug it off, without comment.
There will come a time when Lewis will retire, but it won’t be before the end of his contract next year - and probably, not even then.
I think the remarks were a little ill-judged and I guess so does Lewis, since I think he removed them?
Either way, he seems a quite sensitive soul who wears his heart on his sleeve. From time to time he says things he probably regrets a bit as I am sure most of us do.
I like him the way he is, and would prefer him to continue to speak his mind, even if he stumbles now and then.
Either way, he seems a quite sensitive soul who wears his heart on his sleeve. From time to time he says things he probably regrets a bit as I am sure most of us do.
I like him the way he is, and would prefer him to continue to speak his mind, even if he stumbles now and then.
So I’m not clearly anything, other than amused you’re amused and have misunderstood everything.anonymous said:
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But he can do something to lessen his personal impact, on what he believes is the problem, yet still contribute to the problem. That's still better than doing nothing in the same way as raising money for charity without giving all your money to it is still a help but giving all your money would help more. His speaking his mind, to such a wide fan base and within such influential circles, almost certainly reduces the problem.
Staying quiet, because it would be hypocritical or foolish would therefore contribute to the "problem". This is the point made in the recent letter from all the celebrities and indeed live aid, comic relief et Al for decades, which have faced the same unfounded criticism.
anonymous said:
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You haven't addressed that saying nothing, all other things being equal, would be easy for him to do but not improve the problem. Given the amount people will pay for his endorsement, it's very likely his speaking out is positive and far offsets his personal contribution. Without which, he wouldn't have the platform in the first place. Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff