Lewis Hamilton
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C'mon guys.
The whole underpinning of eco-castastropy grandiloquence is that there's not enough emissions for everyone to do as they please.
So the fact that little you can eat steak twice a week for 100 years and still not be responsible for as many carbons as a biz jet uses to fly to NY and back once is missing the point.
The whole underpinning of eco-castastropy grandiloquence is that there's not enough emissions for everyone to do as they please.
So the fact that little you can eat steak twice a week for 100 years and still not be responsible for as many carbons as a biz jet uses to fly to NY and back once is missing the point.
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So not only do you utterly miss the point and not have the intelligence to see how you can be involved in something damaging while actively be trying to improve the situation, you also admit to being hypocritical while blasting someone for being hypocritical Huh....you see how that makes you sound don’t you....
anonymous said:
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BS....what hamilton is doing is highlighting the animal welfare and environmental impacts of the meat industry. Which is one of the biggest contributes to global C02 emissions and therefore global warming. The Motorsport sector and associated travel doesn’t come close.If he was condemning people for driving cars whilst driving cars, I’d agree with you....as it is, you are way wide of the mark
Flaunt it on social media? No, raising awareness like we all do when we repost something on Facebook or twitter...
I hope you don’t watch children in need or other charitable events....all those celebs and care workers complaining about child welfare whilst wearing cheap clothes made in sweatshops must boil your piss
Anyway we’re not going to agree, and the fact you can’t grasp a simple concept like this means there’s zero point in me continually trying to get it across to you.
Edited by 37chevy on Thursday 17th October 20:24
anonymous said:
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You think that he, or anyone, appealing to over 13 million people, who have elected to read what they say, will have no effect? That's twice the audience of an FA cup final and likely a pretty good demographic for this kind of message. Charities pay for TV advertising and appeals to much much smaller audiences, most of which have no previous connection with them. If even the equivalent of just one percent reduce their output by 10 percent that's the same as eliminating all the output of 13000 people - Or Newport if you prefer. Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 17th October 20:31
Graveworm said:
anonymous said:
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You think that he, or anyone, appealing to over 13 million people, who have elected to read what they say, will have no effect? That's twice the audience of an FA cup final and likely a pretty good demographic for this kind of message. Charities pay for TV advertising and appeals to much much smaller audiences, most of which have no previous connection with them. If even the equivalent of just one percent reduce their output by 10 percent that's the same as eliminating all the output of 13000 people - Or Newport if you prefer. Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 17th October 20:31
rdjohn said:
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Cards on table: I'm a huge fan of Lewis and can see both sides of the argument. I wont regurgitate the last 10 or so pages. Reading the various arguments for and against climate change and veganism reminds me of the easily persuaded simpleton character in The Fast Show who would change his mind every time someone put their side of the argument across. I simply don't know who or what to believe. It reminds me of the B word and Scottish Indyref, there is no middle ground you have to be on one side or the other.
Lewis comes across as an extremely positive person most of the time (when he's winning) but the tone and style of his IG post didn't sit right with me.
My phone was buzzing with notifications after his post to click on various outlets to read of Lewis' impending retirement. You can see that the media love him hes box office and gets clicks. Maybe there is a point to his post and if it came from him, his PR team need to have a word with him. If it came from his PR team, then he needs to have a word with them.
His message could have been delivered so much better without the virtuous lecturing and faux drama, particularly when you consider what he does for a living and his other non-eco friendly interests. The cynic in me thinks that its stunt to coincide with the movie launch but maybe he will follow it up with some positive action rather than another weird needy IG post.
I guess I hope he stops acting like a tit and just drives the car like we all he can but he certainly gets people talking and typing, that's "for sure".
A friend and fellow Lewis fan got talking with Ms Cullen earlier this year.Lewis comes across as an extremely positive person most of the time (when he's winning) but the tone and style of his IG post didn't sit right with me.
My phone was buzzing with notifications after his post to click on various outlets to read of Lewis' impending retirement. You can see that the media love him hes box office and gets clicks. Maybe there is a point to his post and if it came from him, his PR team need to have a word with him. If it came from his PR team, then he needs to have a word with them.
His message could have been delivered so much better without the virtuous lecturing and faux drama, particularly when you consider what he does for a living and his other non-eco friendly interests. The cynic in me thinks that its stunt to coincide with the movie launch but maybe he will follow it up with some positive action rather than another weird needy IG post.
I guess I hope he stops acting like a tit and just drives the car like we all he can but he certainly gets people talking and typing, that's "for sure".
She said that whenever he has a bad race weekend, they frequently have “meaning of life” type conversations.
The typhoon on Saturday has probably taken more than 80 lives. F1 hunkered down and carried-on as if nothing had happened on Sunday.
Saturday was an example of Climate change demonstrating just how devastating it is going to get. With so many followers, I think that it would have been odd for Lewis to just shrug it off, without comment.
There will come a time when Lewis will retire, but it won’t be before the end of his contract next year - and probably, not even then.
Kenny Powers said:
jm doc said:
What did Saturday have to do with climate change??
I wondered about that one myself. That's quite some leap of imagination, even for the vegan army 
True or not, I don't know but it kind of make sense.
Edited by E34-3.2 on Friday 18th October 07:29
Thinking about it maybe he's hurting from the weekend at having a race win taken away, and this is his way of kicking off a bit - he's said some pretty dumb things in the past when not being treated fair.
Danny - 29 laps from start on mediums so heavy
Gasly, hulk, stroll - all 32+ laps on mediums 2nd stint.
"Yeah lu there's no way your mediums will make it to 30 laps, lets chuck that likely race win in the trash and pop you in the 3rd you're guaranteed regardless just to be safe yeah"
I realise tyre usage etc makes it more complex than that but I'm really doubtful that they'd have cliff edged and he'd have lost 18 seconds to vettel over a couple of laps, and regardless of what you think of why merc did that, its gonna piss you off. Merc always had the win nailed on one way or the other, so why nobble him? At least ferrari nobbling lec for vettels singapore win made sense as it gave the team a 1-2.
Danny - 29 laps from start on mediums so heavy
Gasly, hulk, stroll - all 32+ laps on mediums 2nd stint.
"Yeah lu there's no way your mediums will make it to 30 laps, lets chuck that likely race win in the trash and pop you in the 3rd you're guaranteed regardless just to be safe yeah"
I realise tyre usage etc makes it more complex than that but I'm really doubtful that they'd have cliff edged and he'd have lost 18 seconds to vettel over a couple of laps, and regardless of what you think of why merc did that, its gonna piss you off. Merc always had the win nailed on one way or the other, so why nobble him? At least ferrari nobbling lec for vettels singapore win made sense as it gave the team a 1-2.
Teddy Lop said:
Thinking about it maybe he's hurting from the weekend at having a race win taken away, and this is his way of kicking off a bit - he's said some pretty dumb things in the past when not being treated fair.
Danny - 29 laps from start on mediums so heavy
Gasly, hulk, stroll - all 32+ laps on mediums 2nd stint.
"Yeah lu there's no way your mediums will make it to 30 laps, lets chuck that likely race win in the trash and pop you in the 3rd you're guaranteed regardless just to be safe yeah"
I realise tyre usage etc makes it more complex than that but I'm really doubtful that they'd have cliff edged and he'd have lost 18 seconds to vettel over a couple of laps, and regardless of what you think of why merc did that, its gonna piss you off. Merc always had the win nailed on one way or the other, so why nobble him? At least ferrari nobbling lec for vettels singapore win made sense as it gave the team a 1-2.
Nail on head....Danny - 29 laps from start on mediums so heavy
Gasly, hulk, stroll - all 32+ laps on mediums 2nd stint.
"Yeah lu there's no way your mediums will make it to 30 laps, lets chuck that likely race win in the trash and pop you in the 3rd you're guaranteed regardless just to be safe yeah"
I realise tyre usage etc makes it more complex than that but I'm really doubtful that they'd have cliff edged and he'd have lost 18 seconds to vettel over a couple of laps, and regardless of what you think of why merc did that, its gonna piss you off. Merc always had the win nailed on one way or the other, so why nobble him? At least ferrari nobbling lec for vettels singapore win made sense as it gave the team a 1-2.
Crazy how much Hamilton divides opinion but it is good to get an insight into the personal lives of drives other than for a couple of hours on a race weekend. So glad the social media ban from years gone by was lifted. It seems to have opened up the drives much more, i really enjoy seeing Landos updates
But i have to agree with the few above, it seems like he is a bit down due to having the win taken away when he was perfectly capable of it
But i have to agree with the few above, it seems like he is a bit down due to having the win taken away when he was perfectly capable of it
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You claim people reading stuff doesn't mean much - well it does seem to have got a president elected amongst other things. do you have any evidence that it doesn't mean much?74% of people say that they change their buying behaviour based on Social Media posts. This also discounts his ability to directly access powerful and influential figures along with re-posts and media coverage of everything he says. I was being very very conservative just to show how illogical your claim was. I just pointed out if 1% of the direct readership buy less meat and/or choose fewer flight holidays it would make a huge impact. The generic evidence linked, along with many more studies and the specific posts, replying to his post, are evidence that it's likely to be much more than that You, without any contrary evidence, dismiss them based on your entrenched view.
Edited by Graveworm on Friday 18th October 18:31
anonymous said:
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You’re as thick as they come.
Of course; many won’t give two hoots; many will react poorly; many will react positively.
Simple as that.
From what you’re saying; no band / artist / sportsman or woman has ever influenced anyone; because you want first hand, specific proof.
As you were
anonymous said:
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Seriously: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/04/18/mueller-...
My number came directly from the linked study others have concluded a higher percentage. Your attempts to discredit them or reduce their relevance is less credible given it not backed by any evidence and that
1) Organisations that seek to change peoples behaviour, for many years, have been spending millions to do exactly what you claim it doesn't.
2) The amount of change needed to make a significant impact is insignificant when numbers are so large..
3) 1 percent of the direct audience is a tiny figure it's likely to be way more than that due to the other channels, media coverage, discussions, re-posts and knock on effects.
Graveworm said:
anonymous said:
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Seriously: https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/04/18/mueller-...
My number came directly from the linked study others have concluded a higher percentage. Your attempts to discredit them or reduce their relevance is less credible given it not backed by any evidence and that
1) Organisations that seek to change peoples behaviour, for many years, have been spending millions to do exactly what you claim it doesn't.
2) The amount of change needed to make a significant impact is insignificant when numbers are so large..
3) 1 percent of the direct audience is a tiny figure it's likely to be way more than that due to the other channels, media coverage, discussions, re-posts and knock on effects.
I haven't read the numerous posts on this thread but it's rather amusing to see a person who earns (if that's the right word) quite a few pounds each year by driving a good car round and around a circuit (for what purpose? - it's hardly necessary for anything I can think of, other than providing leisure-viewing for a few people), travels by private jet, helicopter or large-engined car, trying to lecture others how to behave to 'save the planet'. No doubt his employers also saw the disconnect.
With the greatest of respect to his ability to drive, at which he's probably 'above average' (difficult to know for sure as he has access to better-than-average cars), it's a bit rich trying to tell others 'to save the planet'.
The problem with these people who fancy themselves as 'influencers' is that many of them often adopt a 'do as I say, not as I do' attitude. Reminds me of that group of people who call themselves politicians.
Am I right in thinking that this car-driver who says we should all go vegan has a financial interest in a vegan restaurant chain? Hmmmm.
Perhaps he should concentrate on driving.
With the greatest of respect to his ability to drive, at which he's probably 'above average' (difficult to know for sure as he has access to better-than-average cars), it's a bit rich trying to tell others 'to save the planet'.
The problem with these people who fancy themselves as 'influencers' is that many of them often adopt a 'do as I say, not as I do' attitude. Reminds me of that group of people who call themselves politicians.
Am I right in thinking that this car-driver who says we should all go vegan has a financial interest in a vegan restaurant chain? Hmmmm.
Perhaps he should concentrate on driving.
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