Lewis Hamilton
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It's easy to be magnanimous and all smiles when you're on the up and up. People have got short memories if they don't remember Hamilton b
hing after almost every race, and in the press, when Vettel was dominating in the RBR. You don't have to look far to find evidence of it.
I don't blame Hamilton for this though any more than I blame Vettel for saying the same recently. They were both at their respective times frustrated with a power imbalance they felt they could nothing to overcome. Hamilton felt, as I'm sure Vettel does now, that they're being held back by their inferior machinery.
So one should remember that Hamilton hasn't always been a model of serenity and geniality. You can tell a lot a man's mettle by how he acts when things aren't going their way, and on that front I can't help but respect Vettel immensely for congratulating Hamilton and the Mercedes team even when he must be struggling to deal with the fact that he's failed to measure up for another season.
hing after almost every race, and in the press, when Vettel was dominating in the RBR. You don't have to look far to find evidence of it.I don't blame Hamilton for this though any more than I blame Vettel for saying the same recently. They were both at their respective times frustrated with a power imbalance they felt they could nothing to overcome. Hamilton felt, as I'm sure Vettel does now, that they're being held back by their inferior machinery.
So one should remember that Hamilton hasn't always been a model of serenity and geniality. You can tell a lot a man's mettle by how he acts when things aren't going their way, and on that front I can't help but respect Vettel immensely for congratulating Hamilton and the Mercedes team even when he must be struggling to deal with the fact that he's failed to measure up for another season.
Edited by Durzel on Tuesday 5th November 18:26
37chevy said:
Graveworm said:
DOCG said:
Winning championships without such an inherent advantage
What like GP2 or F3? 
Europa1 said:
37chevy said:
Graveworm said:
DOCG said:
Winning championships without such an inherent advantage
What like GP2 or F3? It appears they both spawned from the same swamp though
chris285 said:
Interesting video on BBC stating Lewis has never got into much incident on the track during his time, like Shumacher or Prost or Senna running into opponents to win or 'crashing' to get pole he is been a pretty fair racer on the whole
And number of the errors he's made (by which I mean, race ending or race effecting errors) can be counted on one hand over the entire course of his F1 career.E34-3.2 said:
I remember having a similar conversations with some friends about S.Loeb. Greatness will always create bitterness into people's mind despite them telling you that they have nothing against the person they are trying to undermine their achievement. Some people twist stories or constantly bring on the table theories which they don't even believe themselves just to contradict.
Great example in your previous posts then brilliantly highlighted in that last statement.
You could just have started a few page ago with: I don't like Hamilton.
I don't dislike Hamilton, you are missing the pointGreat example in your previous posts then brilliantly highlighted in that last statement.
You could just have started a few page ago with: I don't like Hamilton.
DOCG said:
37chevy said:
So who do you rate highly?
Hakkinen, Raikkonen and Kobayashi are the ones who I suspect had the most talent.....so let me get this straight. You’d put those 3 above Hamilton, Schumacher, Clark, Fangio, Senna, Prost, Alonso, Vettel, Andretti, Lauda?
Edited by 37chevy on Tuesday 5th November 18:57
DOCG said:
37chevy said:
Oh dear god.....
As I said I suspect, I am in no position to judge the most talented. ....but you just did by saying you didn’t rate Hamilton, fangio, schumacher, Senna, Prost but you ‘suspect’ Mika, kimi and kobayashi are the most talented drivers...oh jeez, walk away now before you dig a bigger hole
37chevy said:
DOCG said:
37chevy said:
What would make you buy in? Less championships?
Winning championships without such an inherent advantage All had dominant cars, number 2 drivers and in fangios case drivers that would hand their cars over to him mid race if he retired
Talking of which...when do you think the last car to win the championship was, that wasn’t the best or dominant?
37chevy said:
DOCG said:
37chevy said:
Oh dear god.....
As I said I suspect, I am in no position to judge the most talented. ....but you just did by saying you didn’t rate Hamilton, fangio, schumacher, Senna, Prost but you ‘suspect’ Mika, kimi and kobayashi are the most talented drivers...oh jeez, walk away now before you dig a bigger hole
I like this guy. He is funny. Can we keep him?
CustardOnChips said:
2008?
You could argue a (somewhat flimsy) case for 2019 too.Merc have had 8 poles from 19, Hamilton himself has only had 4 of those. Very few of the race wins, particularly after the early part of the season, have been a given.
However Mercedes have been by some margin the best team at the sharp end of the grid. Coupled with a driver at the top of his game and the points have painted a far more comfortable picture than perhaps it should have been.
Ferrari have had more than a fair shot at winning the championship at least twice in the past couple of years.
SeeFive said:
TBF that's not wholly representative, he was a lot better than that implies - but more talented than Hamilton 
37chevy said:
So Schumacher, Vettel, Mansell, Prost, Senna and Fangio clearly don’t rate highly for you either then.
All had dominant cars, number 2 drivers and in fangios case drivers that would hand their cars over to him mid race if he retired
Talking of which...when do you think the last car to win the championship was, that wasn’t the best or dominant?
Back the truck up a bit, here - Prost had number 2 drivers, did he? Number 2's like Lauda, (keke) Rosberg, Senna, Mansell, perhaps?All had dominant cars, number 2 drivers and in fangios case drivers that would hand their cars over to him mid race if he retired
Talking of which...when do you think the last car to win the championship was, that wasn’t the best or dominant?
Strangely with everybody extolling the greatness of Hamilton and assorted F1 greats, Hakkinen Vettel Kobiyashi etc...nobody has mentioned possibly the greatest driver who made an indelible mark on the general publics conscious. That man and his resultant headlines nobody will ever forget...Pedro Diniz and that classic headline "Diniz in the oven"
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