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Teddy Lop

8,294 posts

67 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Duns said:
jsf said:
Get rid of the fuel flow meter and just allow a set fuel capacity, you would then see some interesting tactical racing and qualifying.
This. They could guide power by capacity as well.
something else to exploit would probably just amplify the differences between best and worst though, with resultant field spread/lack of overtaking, there's a reason this specific element is restricted and that more than one team have tried to circumvent it.

Exige77

6,518 posts

191 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Teddy Lop said:
Exige77 said:
Make them carry the full fuel load whether they use it or not.

Let’s put an end to this lift and coast malarky.
and they'd just use a special engine mode to burn off 10kg or whatever they didn't want in one lap. Possibly even the sighting lap.
Fuel flow !!

Saving fuel is not something we can see and enjoy.

swisstoni

16,997 posts

279 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Exige77 said:
Teddy Lop said:
Exige77 said:
Make them carry the full fuel load whether they use it or not.

Let’s put an end to this lift and coast malarky.
and they'd just use a special engine mode to burn off 10kg or whatever they didn't want in one lap. Possibly even the sighting lap.
Fuel flow !!

Saving fuel is not something we can see and enjoy.
I think the fuel limit thing should be quietly shelved.
The green lobby will hate F1, whatever it tinkers
with.
The F1 power units are the most efficient engines in existence, which is fantastic.

But don’t hamper the actual racing for the fans by jumping through hoops that aren’t appreciated anyway.

Exige77

6,518 posts

191 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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The original idea was to make these new engines more road car relevant by making them more efficient but that has all gone out the window now.

The whole car industry is clearly heading in the full electrification direction now.

If we are not careful, F1 will become formula E.



ukaskew

10,642 posts

221 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Exige77 said:
If we are not careful, F1 will become formula E.
At the rate the push to EV is happening I think there is an inevitability about that. Whether F1 becomes FE or FE just slowly replaces F1, it's likely to happen at some point.

FE is already the default series if a driver can't quite make it in F1, that's happened remarkably quickly. It'll be interesting to see if the new hypercar regs in WEC make that a serious challenger too.

cuprabob

14,621 posts

214 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Exige77 said:
If we are not careful, F1 will become formula E.
Sadly, I think that's now inevitable. The only thing that is debatable, in my opinion, is the timeframe.

Derek Smith

45,660 posts

248 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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cuprabob said:
Sadly, I think that's now inevitable. The only thing that is debatable, in my opinion, is the timeframe.
Might be hydrogen power.


Teddy Lop

8,294 posts

67 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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cuprabob said:
Exige77 said:
If we are not careful, F1 will become formula E.
Sadly, I think that's now inevitable. The only thing that is debatable, in my opinion, is the timeframe.
why do you think that?

The differences between formula 1 and formula E are a lot more fundamental than the choice of motive power, many spec series have come and gone over the years, some in a blaze of glory purporting to unseat F1 from its throne, but formula 1 has always endured - despite all the flaws we are doomed to hear about incessantly from those who can't just choose a sport to meet their perfect different criteria.

Whether F1 can hold off going electric depends how relevant the powers that be want it to continue to be to generalised road transport manufacturing concerns, but with the autonomous revolution supposedly around the corner, the question of when or whether they decide its time to sever that link (or have it severed for you) has to be considered in the debate I think. By this I'm saying, compromising the sport by trying to stay too relevant to something no-one will care about in x years when cars for the masses become a thing you summon by app rather than cherish and own, could be what signs the death warrant.

anonymous-user

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54 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Exige77 said:
The original idea was to make these new engines more road car relevant by making them more efficient but that has all gone out the window now.

The whole car industry is clearly heading in the full electrification direction now.

If we are not careful, F1 will become formula E.
Hybrid is the likely direction for the next 20 years in car manufacturing, this is far more obtainable than EV.

Kraken

1,710 posts

200 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Derek Smith said:
Might be hydrogen power.
Not likely unless it's via a fuel cell rather than hydrogen directly. Hydrogen has issues either way.

sparta6

3,698 posts

100 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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jsf said:
Hybrid is the likely direction for the next 20 years in car manufacturing, this is far more obtainable than EV.
+1
This sport should not allow itself to be sucked into politician's agendas.

What next in sport: leather boxing gloves prohibited ?


Edited by sparta6 on Sunday 10th November 12:44

GOATever

2,651 posts

67 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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cuprabob said:
Sadly, I think that's now inevitable. The only thing that is debatable, in my opinion, is the timeframe.
You’re right, and the ‘timeframe’ is sooner than you might imagine.

Bright Halo

2,966 posts

235 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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With Lewis Hamilton’s comment “There are more championships to be won” does he necessarily mean F1?
Could he be referring to other championships?

Derek Smith

45,660 posts

248 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Bright Halo said:
With Lewis Hamilton’s comment “There are more championships to be won” does he necessarily mean F1?
Could he be referring to other championships?
It's possible I suppose, but where do you go from F1? It's all a step down.

I think he's after 8 WDCs. He keeps saying that records don't matter to him, but if not, why does he keep saying it? It must be tantilising now he's on 6.


37chevy

3,280 posts

156 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Derek Smith said:
It's possible I suppose, but where do you go from F1? It's all a step down.
....in his chosen discipline.

I wouldn’t consider being NHRA Top Fuel Champion, Moto GP Champion or WRC Champion for example a step down, rather than a step across to the pinnacle of their chosen discipline...ones which are just as hard to achieve and master

I don’t think he would compete in Motorsport outside of F1...he’s never shown that much interest in competing full time in other sports

confucuis

1,303 posts

124 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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TBH he looks like he could go on for awhile. I'd say it depends on Merc, if they produce a bad car, and look like it might take awhile to produce another decent car (very unlikely I know), then he might retire then.

He certainly looks fit enough and the race form shows no sign of slowing.

37chevy

3,280 posts

156 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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confucuis said:
TBH he looks like he could go on for awhile. I'd say it depends on Merc, if they produce a bad car, and look like it might take awhile to produce another decent car (very unlikely I know), then he might retire then.

He certainly looks fit enough and the race form shows no sign of slowing.
I’m quite surprised at how focused he is on 2021 and beyond....I think a lot of people thought he’d retire at the end of 2020 (myself included) along with Vettel and hand over to the new guard.

With that said I think he will probably just wake up one day after a season and say that’s it I’m quitting....I can’t see him doing the usual farewell tour, he’s too focussed for that

glazbagun

14,279 posts

197 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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GOATever said:
cuprabob said:
Sadly, I think that's now inevitable. The only thing that is debatable, in my opinion, is the timeframe.
You’re right, and the ‘timeframe’ is sooner than you might imagine.
It will only happen when an E-car is faster than an F1 car IMO. They've already gone for a banzai nurburgring lap, but a whole GP will be a bigger ask.

sparta6

3,698 posts

100 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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37chevy said:
....in his chosen discipline.

I wouldn’t consider being NHRA Top Fuel Champion, Moto GP Champion or WRC Champion for example a step down, rather than a step across to the pinnacle of their chosen discipline...ones which are just as hard to achieve and master
Agree completely.

Also, Mansell's achievement of back to back F1 and Indy was mighty !

anonymous-user

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54 months

Monday 11th November 2019
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sparta6 said:
Agree completely.

Also, Mansell's achievement of back to back F1 and Indy was mighty !
It also nearly killed him.

IndyCar is just too damn dangerous compared to current F1, it's nuts Alonso wants to do it, i cant see Lewis being attracted to it at all.
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