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janesmith1950

3,950 posts

42 months

Saturday 9th November
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Make the tyres perform best at full tilt lap after lap, then drop off a cliff with no return, and we'll see the cars racing flat out. As it is, there's too much tippy toes trying to keep them in a small operating window.

Exige77

3,960 posts

138 months

Saturday 9th November
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Make them carry the full fuel load whether they use it or not.

Let’s put an end to this lift and coast malarky.

Kraken

1,232 posts

147 months

Saturday 9th November
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Why? Saving fuel is just as an important skill as being able to do a flat out lap. If you don't like it then watch a form of racing where it's not part of the formula. Fuel saving (even when refuelling was allowed) has always been part of F1.

ash73

16,781 posts

168 months

Saturday 9th November
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An artist painting a masterpiece hehe

Teddy Lop

1,874 posts

14 months

Saturday 9th November
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Exige77 said:
Make them carry the full fuel load whether they use it or not.

Let’s put an end to this lift and coast malarky.
and they'd just use a special engine mode to burn off 10kg or whatever they didn't want in one lap. Possibly even the sighting lap.

jsf

14,403 posts

183 months

Saturday 9th November
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Get rid of the fuel flow meter and just allow a set fuel capacity, you would then see some interesting tactical racing and qualifying.

sparta6

1,396 posts

47 months

Saturday 9th November
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jsf said:
Get rid of the fuel flow meter and just allow a set fuel capacity, you would then see some interesting tactical racing and qualifying.
Agree with that.
When we were at Paul Ricard the "race" was cringeworthy.
Not to mention the Brackley cars were on rails - Scalextrix.

Thankfully the Minuty enclosure brightened up proceedings.

A single compound of dry tyres would also reward driver ability

Duns

63 posts

12 months

Sunday 10th November
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jsf said:
Get rid of the fuel flow meter and just allow a set fuel capacity, you would then see some interesting tactical racing and qualifying.
This. They could guide power by capacity as well.

Teddy Lop

1,874 posts

14 months

Sunday 10th November
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Duns said:
jsf said:
Get rid of the fuel flow meter and just allow a set fuel capacity, you would then see some interesting tactical racing and qualifying.
This. They could guide power by capacity as well.
something else to exploit would probably just amplify the differences between best and worst though, with resultant field spread/lack of overtaking, there's a reason this specific element is restricted and that more than one team have tried to circumvent it.

Exige77

3,960 posts

138 months

Sunday 10th November
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Teddy Lop said:
Exige77 said:
Make them carry the full fuel load whether they use it or not.

Let’s put an end to this lift and coast malarky.
and they'd just use a special engine mode to burn off 10kg or whatever they didn't want in one lap. Possibly even the sighting lap.
Fuel flow !!

Saving fuel is not something we can see and enjoy.

swisstoni

8,268 posts

226 months

Sunday 10th November
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Exige77 said:
Teddy Lop said:
Exige77 said:
Make them carry the full fuel load whether they use it or not.

Let’s put an end to this lift and coast malarky.
and they'd just use a special engine mode to burn off 10kg or whatever they didn't want in one lap. Possibly even the sighting lap.
Fuel flow !!

Saving fuel is not something we can see and enjoy.
I think the fuel limit thing should be quietly shelved.
The green lobby will hate F1, whatever it tinkers
with.
The F1 power units are the most efficient engines in existence, which is fantastic.

But don’t hamper the actual racing for the fans by jumping through hoops that aren’t appreciated anyway.

Exige77

3,960 posts

138 months

Sunday 10th November
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The original idea was to make these new engines more road car relevant by making them more efficient but that has all gone out the window now.

The whole car industry is clearly heading in the full electrification direction now.

If we are not careful, F1 will become formula E.



ukaskew

5,332 posts

168 months

Sunday 10th November
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Exige77 said:
If we are not careful, F1 will become formula E.
At the rate the push to EV is happening I think there is an inevitability about that. Whether F1 becomes FE or FE just slowly replaces F1, it's likely to happen at some point.

FE is already the default series if a driver can't quite make it in F1, that's happened remarkably quickly. It'll be interesting to see if the new hypercar regs in WEC make that a serious challenger too.

cuprabob

8,101 posts

161 months

Sunday 10th November
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Exige77 said:
If we are not careful, F1 will become formula E.
Sadly, I think that's now inevitable. The only thing that is debatable, in my opinion, is the timeframe.

Derek Smith

34,773 posts

195 months

Sunday 10th November
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cuprabob said:
Sadly, I think that's now inevitable. The only thing that is debatable, in my opinion, is the timeframe.
Might be hydrogen power.


Teddy Lop

1,874 posts

14 months

Sunday 10th November
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cuprabob said:
Exige77 said:
If we are not careful, F1 will become formula E.
Sadly, I think that's now inevitable. The only thing that is debatable, in my opinion, is the timeframe.
why do you think that?

The differences between formula 1 and formula E are a lot more fundamental than the choice of motive power, many spec series have come and gone over the years, some in a blaze of glory purporting to unseat F1 from its throne, but formula 1 has always endured - despite all the flaws we are doomed to hear about incessantly from those who can't just choose a sport to meet their perfect different criteria.

Whether F1 can hold off going electric depends how relevant the powers that be want it to continue to be to generalised road transport manufacturing concerns, but with the autonomous revolution supposedly around the corner, the question of when or whether they decide its time to sever that link (or have it severed for you) has to be considered in the debate I think. By this I'm saying, compromising the sport by trying to stay too relevant to something no-one will care about in x years when cars for the masses become a thing you summon by app rather than cherish and own, could be what signs the death warrant.

jsf

14,403 posts

183 months

Sunday 10th November
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Exige77 said:
The original idea was to make these new engines more road car relevant by making them more efficient but that has all gone out the window now.

The whole car industry is clearly heading in the full electrification direction now.

If we are not careful, F1 will become formula E.
Hybrid is the likely direction for the next 20 years in car manufacturing, this is far more obtainable than EV.

Kraken

1,232 posts

147 months

Sunday 10th November
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Derek Smith said:
Might be hydrogen power.
Not likely unless it's via a fuel cell rather than hydrogen directly. Hydrogen has issues either way.

sparta6

1,396 posts

47 months

Sunday 10th November
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jsf said:
Hybrid is the likely direction for the next 20 years in car manufacturing, this is far more obtainable than EV.
+1
This sport should not allow itself to be sucked into politician's agendas.

What next in sport: leather boxing gloves prohibited ?


Edited by sparta6 on Sunday 10th November 12:44

GOATever

1,544 posts

14 months

Sunday 10th November
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cuprabob said:
Sadly, I think that's now inevitable. The only thing that is debatable, in my opinion, is the timeframe.
You’re right, and the ‘timeframe’ is sooner than you might imagine.