Lewis Hamilton

[epom]

I see he’s getting a go on the Yamaha M1 with Rossi driving his car.

[Lannister902]

sparta6 said:

E-bmw said:

HTP99 said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

I do wonder if this is the reason Vettel has lost his edge.

Did he ever really have one?

No. that was Red Bull that had the edge, he was just the driver at the time.

Correct. And Mercedes has had the edge since 2014.

We know Hamilton is slightly faster than Bottas.
If he moves to Ferrari we will see if Lewis is slightly faster than Charles.

Given his track record against all his teammates throughout his career, we both know the answer.

[anonymous-user]

epom said:

I see he’s getting a go on the Yamaha M1 with Rossi driving his car.

I think we know who will do better when it comes to Hamilton on a Moto GP bike and Rossi in the F1 car.

Mercedes will be hoping Hamilton doesn't do a Schumacher and hurt himself badly but then Schumacher was racing.

Rossi was bl**dy quick when he tested the Ferrari back in 2010.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport/ross...

[Mr Tidy]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

epom said:

I see he’s getting a go on the Yamaha M1 with Rossi driving his car.

I think we know who will do better when it comes to Hamilton on a Moto GP bike and Rossi in the F1 car.

Mercedes will be hoping Hamilton doesn't do a Schumacher and hurt himself badly but then Schumacher was racing.

Rossi was bl**dy quick when he tested the Ferrari back in 2010.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport/ross...

True, but he isn't even quick on a Yamaha lately! Time to move on.

Whereas LH is only moving on to better things, without crashing into his competitors!

[StevieBee]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Does anyone agree that Hamilton not having a wife and child is better for him mentally when racing?

I do wonder if this is the reason Vettel has lost his edge.

The one truly 'off' season he had in 2011 coincided with all the trials and tribulations of his relationship with Nicole Scherzinger coming to a head so there may be some truth in this.

Not that I've the slightest bit of interest in such things, given his profile outside of the sport I've been surprised at the lack of papp-snaps of him with his latest squeeze other than some vague suggestion of a relationship with Rita Ora (IIRC) a few years ago.

That said, Michael Schumacher was married with kids when he was hoovering up WDCs.

[glazbagun]

Going by his veganism and occasional twitter rant about the state of the world, I think Lewis is probably quite a sensitive guy in a not very charitable sport, so it wouldn't surprise me if his personal relationships crept into his driving.

Damon Hill was obviously a contorted ball of emotion and two of the stand-out drives/rides in his autobiography came after blazing rows with his wife when he arrived at the track seething.

[sparta6]

Lannister902 said:

sparta6 said:

E-bmw said:

HTP99 said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

I do wonder if this is the reason Vettel has lost his edge.

Did he ever really have one?

No. that was Red Bull that had the edge, he was just the driver at the time.

Correct. And Mercedes has had the edge since 2014.

We know Hamilton is slightly faster than Bottas.
If he moves to Ferrari we will see if Lewis is slightly faster than Charles.

Given his track record against all his teammates throughout his career, we both know the answer.

Well Button outscored Hamilton over the 3 year tenure.

Charles and Lewis at Ferrari would be an exciting dynamic, and from the Abu Dhabi interview Charles is up for it.

[mat205125]

TheDeuce said:

CoolHands said:

That’s cos most of them are the product of private schools

True... But on the other hand doesn't that just prove private schooling is worth the money? Or that state schools are not getting right - depending on how you look at it..?

Anyway. My point was that there is something very healthy about seeking to win - essentially forces you to be at your very best, even if you don't actually manage to be first. As Lewis would say "I hate losing". That's not a particularly bad ethos to apply to just about anything endeavoured in life. If you don't believe you can win it, why are you doing it? Go do something else!

Means to access private schooling, also comes with the means to equipment, tuition, coaching and networking, for sports and activities that aren’t available to most kids who have jumpers-for-goalposts or a pair of boxing gloves.

There’s never a true binary distinction between classes or types of schooling, and always gonna be exceptions to any rule or stereotype, however let’s be honest ...... if you want to play tennis, or golf at a competitive level, or have a realistic route to a professional motorsport drive, you ain’t getting that from a state school and a scout at the local pitch and putt, or butlins lawn mower gokarts

[jm doc]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

epom said:

I see he’s getting a go on the Yamaha M1 with Rossi driving his car.

I think we know who will do better when it comes to Hamilton on a Moto GP bike and Rossi in the F1 car.

Mercedes will be hoping Hamilton doesn't do a Schumacher and hurt himself badly but then Schumacher was racing.

Rossi was bl**dy quick when he tested the Ferrari back in 2010.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport/ross...

But not quick enough, obviously...

[kiseca]

sparta6 said:

Well Button outscored Hamilton over the 3 year tenure.

Charles and Lewis at Ferrari would be an exciting dynamic, and from the Abu Dhabi interview Charles is up for it.

sparta6 said:

Perhaps Bottas will surprise us all and switch to Ferrari

Equal poles with Hamilton and second in the WDC

How come when you compare Button to Hamilton, because it's all about the driver, you look at all three seasons, but whenever you compare Bottas and Hamilton (because it's all about the car when Hamilton's doing well) you just look at the one season that backs up your statement and ignore the other two?

[sparta6]

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

Well Button outscored Hamilton over the 3 year tenure.

Charles and Lewis at Ferrari would be an exciting dynamic, and from the Abu Dhabi interview Charles is up for it.

sparta6 said:

Perhaps Bottas will surprise us all and switch to Ferrari

Equal poles with Hamilton and second in the WDC

How come when you compare Button to Hamilton, because it's all about the driver, you look at all three seasons, but whenever you compare Bottas and Hamilton (because it's all about the car when Hamilton's doing well) you just look at the one season that backs up your statement and ignore the other two?

Simply because Bottas tenure is not yet concluded.

[sparta6]

jm doc said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

epom said:

I see he’s getting a go on the Yamaha M1 with Rossi driving his car.

I think we know who will do better when it comes to Hamilton on a Moto GP bike and Rossi in the F1 car.

Mercedes will be hoping Hamilton doesn't do a Schumacher and hurt himself badly but then Schumacher was racing.

Rossi was bl**dy quick when he tested the Ferrari back in 2010.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport/ross...

But not quick enough, obviously...

Not raw enough for Mr Rossi
Way too many buttons to faff about with

[kiseca]

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

Well Button outscored Hamilton over the 3 year tenure.

Charles and Lewis at Ferrari would be an exciting dynamic, and from the Abu Dhabi interview Charles is up for it.

sparta6 said:

Perhaps Bottas will surprise us all and switch to Ferrari

Equal poles with Hamilton and second in the WDC

How come when you compare Button to Hamilton, because it's all about the driver, you look at all three seasons, but whenever you compare Bottas and Hamilton (because it's all about the car when Hamilton's doing well) you just look at the one season that backs up your statement and ignore the other two?

Simply because Bottas tenure is not yet concluded.

So you don't know yet how much of it you will need to ignore to support your bias but you're making a head start?

[sparta6]

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

Well Button outscored Hamilton over the 3 year tenure.

Charles and Lewis at Ferrari would be an exciting dynamic, and from the Abu Dhabi interview Charles is up for it.

sparta6 said:

Perhaps Bottas will surprise us all and switch to Ferrari

Equal poles with Hamilton and second in the WDC

How come when you compare Button to Hamilton, because it's all about the driver, you look at all three seasons, but whenever you compare Bottas and Hamilton (because it's all about the car when Hamilton's doing well) you just look at the one season that backs up your statement and ignore the other two?

Simply because Bottas tenure is not yet concluded.

So you don't know yet how much of it you will need to ignore to support your bias but you're making a head start?

??

We calculate the quantum at the end of each tenure.

Nobody yet knows what Bottas will return.

[HighwayStar]

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

Well Button outscored Hamilton over the 3 year tenure.

Charles and Lewis at Ferrari would be an exciting dynamic, and from the Abu Dhabi interview Charles is up for it.

sparta6 said:

Perhaps Bottas will surprise us all and switch to Ferrari

Equal poles with Hamilton and second in the WDC

How come when you compare Button to Hamilton, because it's all about the driver, you look at all three seasons, but whenever you compare Bottas and Hamilton (because it's all about the car when Hamilton's doing well) you just look at the one season that backs up your statement and ignore the other two?

Simply because Bottas tenure is not yet concluded.

So you don't know yet how much of it you will need to ignore to support your bias but you're making a head start?

??

We calculate the quantum at the end of each tenure.

Nobody yet knows what Bottas will return.

Whatever suits your angle eh...
The bottom line is:
Lewis has 6 titles... you’ll say he was lucky, it’s the car, not him.
Button has 1 WDC. Out of curiosity, what would you put his down to?

[Exige77]

HighwayStar said:

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

Well Button outscored Hamilton over the 3 year tenure.

Charles and Lewis at Ferrari would be an exciting dynamic, and from the Abu Dhabi interview Charles is up for it.

sparta6 said:

Perhaps Bottas will surprise us all and switch to Ferrari

Equal poles with Hamilton and second in the WDC

How come when you compare Button to Hamilton, because it's all about the driver, you look at all three seasons, but whenever you compare Bottas and Hamilton (because it's all about the car when Hamilton's doing well) you just look at the one season that backs up your statement and ignore the other two?

Simply because Bottas tenure is not yet concluded.

So you don't know yet how much of it you will need to ignore to support your bias but you're making a head start?

??

We calculate the quantum at the end of each tenure.

Nobody yet knows what Bottas will return.

Whatever suits your angle eh...
The bottom line is:
Lewis has 6 titles... you’ll say he was lucky, it’s the car, not him.
Button has 1 WDC. Out of curiosity, what would you put his down to?

Half a season of good luck and half a season of hanging on for dear life ?

I think even Jensen was a bit surprised.

[kiseca]

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

Well Button outscored Hamilton over the 3 year tenure.

Charles and Lewis at Ferrari would be an exciting dynamic, and from the Abu Dhabi interview Charles is up for it.

sparta6 said:

Perhaps Bottas will surprise us all and switch to Ferrari

Equal poles with Hamilton and second in the WDC

How come when you compare Button to Hamilton, because it's all about the driver, you look at all three seasons, but whenever you compare Bottas and Hamilton (because it's all about the car when Hamilton's doing well) you just look at the one season that backs up your statement and ignore the other two?

Simply because Bottas tenure is not yet concluded.

So you don't know yet how much of it you will need to ignore to support your bias but you're making a head start?

??

We calculate the quantum at the end of each tenure.

Nobody yet knows what Bottas will return.

bloody hell I'll rephrase. We know what he returned in 2017 and 2018. What is causing you to ignore those two seasons, but consider 2019, when evaluating Lewis and the Mercedes?

[swisstoni]

This stat that Button outpointed Hamilton over three years is a triumph of barrel scraping

[Exige77]

swisstoni said:

This stat that Button outpointed Hamilton over three years is a triumph of barrel scraping

The team managers will be queueing up to sign up Jensen once they hear about this stat

[sparta6]

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

Well Button outscored Hamilton over the 3 year tenure.

Charles and Lewis at Ferrari would be an exciting dynamic, and from the Abu Dhabi interview Charles is up for it.

sparta6 said:

Perhaps Bottas will surprise us all and switch to Ferrari

Equal poles with Hamilton and second in the WDC

How come when you compare Button to Hamilton, because it's all about the driver, you look at all three seasons, but whenever you compare Bottas and Hamilton (because it's all about the car when Hamilton's doing well) you just look at the one season that backs up your statement and ignore the other two?

Simply because Bottas tenure is not yet concluded.

So you don't know yet how much of it you will need to ignore to support your bias but you're making a head start?

??

We calculate the quantum at the end of each tenure.

Nobody yet knows what Bottas will return.

bloody hell I'll rephrase. We know what he returned in 2017 and 2018. What is causing you to ignore those two seasons, but consider 2019, when evaluating Lewis and the Mercedes?

I'll rephrase for you
Bottas' tenure is yet to conclude, so we cannot yet value his yield over the team's investment term.

Points = £££ = ROI

Button delivered a better cash yield for McLaren through his tenure.

F1 is a business. Are there no Hedge Fund managers on PH ?

I almost feel compelled to carry out a straw poll at 5 Hertford Street tonight