Lewis Hamilton

[Smollet]

For someone who is all for non subjugation of one persons will on another, him forcing his dog to go vegan is rank hypocrisy. Ok it’s an animal which in a way is worse. I doubt Roscoe even got to have a woof on the subject. Hamilton the racing driver is mighty, however as a human not so.

[Exige77]

Kraken said:

All depends if you consider the organisation and the sentiment as the same thing. To me saying "black lives matter" isn't saying I support all the goals and ideals of a group of the same name.

If someone says they are left wing does that mean that they fully support everything that the Socialist Worker Party stands for?

I think your example is not correct at all.

Wearing a socialist worker T shirt would be a better comparison.

You might not agree with all the socialist workers Party but by wearing their T shirt it gives the impression you do.

Other people / organisations are distancing themselves from the BLM movement for exactly this reasons even though they might fully support the fight against racism (which I do).

Edited by Exige77 on Tuesday 14th July 13:42

[paulguitar]

Smollet said:

Hamilton the racing driver is mighty, however as a human not so.

Steady on, tiger.

Roscoe will probably be more healthy with the diet change.

[HighwayStar]

Smollet said:

For someone who is all for non subjugation of one persons will on another, him forcing his dog to go vegan is rank hypocrisy. Ok it’s an animal which in a way is worse. I doubt Roscoe even got to have a woof on the subject. Hamilton the racing driver is mighty, however as a human not so.

Lol... seriously! This is what you think about and bothers you? Was Roscoe on hunger strike? Hamilton is force feeding him? Say it ain’t so...
Smollet? Hmmm

[MarkwG]

paulguitar said:

Smollet said:

Hamilton the racing driver is mighty, however as a human not so.

Steady on, tiger.

Roscoe will probably be more healthy with the diet change.

yep, dogs are omnivores, not carnivores. Though tigers are different, of course

[Smollet]

HighwayStar said:

Smollet said:

For someone who is all for non subjugation of one persons will on another, him forcing his dog to go vegan is rank hypocrisy. Ok it’s an animal which in a way is worse. I doubt Roscoe even got to have a woof on the subject. Hamilton the racing driver is mighty, however as a human not so.

Lol... seriously! This is what you think about and bothers you? Was Roscoe on hunger strike? Hamilton is force feeding him? Say it ain’t so...
Smollet? Hmmm

I thought I add my bullst to the rest that’s generally spouted here. I hate being left out.

[LucyP]

Kraken said:

All depends if you consider the organisation and the sentiment as the same thing. To me saying "black lives matter" isn't saying I support all the goals and ideals of a group of the same name.

If someone says they are left wing does that mean that they fully support everything that the Socialist Worker Party stands for?

Using your analogy, you can support the Nazis and the death camps, but can disagree with the invasion of Poland perhaps?

[angrymoby]

which organisations are back tracking?

I know the BBC have, but that's as expected as they're meant to be politically impartial

you do have to remember the BLM UK is in it's infancy & as such finding its feet ...& also has a decentralised approach to it's organisation (which would certainly scare those in positions of power & authority)

There are also plenty of movements that you can support morally, but not politically- history is littered with them

[Mark-C]

kiseca said:

Mark-C said:

kiseca said:

What's the percentage of wins per race? Number of races per year has gone up since 2000 I believe.

Fangio, Ascari and Clark are all ahead of Hamilton on that metric and a couple of Americans from when the Indy 500 counted squeeze into the gap between him and Schumacher

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_...

I think Jarno Trulli is bottom of that particular table at 0.0039%

thanks!

I actually meant the Hamilton -75 wins in 10 seasons vs / Ferrari 71 wins in 15 or whatever it was that I intended to post directly afterwards but quite a few posts beat mine on to the thread

Yeah it's quite difficult to keep track of the Formula One content on this thread

[swisstoni]

LucyP said:

Kraken said:

All depends if you consider the organisation and the sentiment as the same thing. To me saying "black lives matter" isn't saying I support all the goals and ideals of a group of the same name.

If someone says they are left wing does that mean that they fully support everything that the Socialist Worker Party stands for?

Using your analogy, you can support the Nazis and the death camps, but can disagree with the invasion of Poland perhaps?

No because everyone now knows what the Nazis were about.
Not everyone knew what BLM were all about.

[C70R]

Exige77 said:

LucyP said:

The problem is - you cannot divorce one from another. If you support BLM, then you are supporting the politics too.

^^^^What the right honourable lady said.

Imagine telling an ethnic minority sportsman you've never met what to think or believe. Imagine telling him that he can't believe in a statement, because it has some negative connotations.

I'll assume you're both white, right?

Edited by C70R on Tuesday 14th July 16:54

[mikal83]

I have read that hamilton is now the new harry and meghan!

[Exige77]

C70R said:

Exige77 said:

LucyP said:

The problem is - you cannot divorce one from another. If you support BLM, then you are supporting the politics too.

^^^^What the right honourable lady said.

Imagine telling an ethnic minority sportsman you've never met what to think or believe. Imagine telling him that he can't believe in a statement, because it has some negative connotations.

I'll assume you're both white, right?

Edited by C70R on Tuesday 14th July 16:54

I think most people are against racism, me included. I can’t speak for anyone else. The view I hold is that the BLM movement are doing a disservice to the good work many people / organisations are doing to combat racism.

Your view appears to be anyone who doesn’t agree is a racist which is plainly not true.

It’s clearly racist to think that white people hold a particular view. That’s the kind of stereotyping we are trying to get rid of is it not ?

[C70R]

Exige77 said:

C70R said:

Exige77 said:

LucyP said:

The problem is - you cannot divorce one from another. If you support BLM, then you are supporting the politics too.

^^^^What the right honourable lady said.

Imagine telling an ethnic minority sportsman you've never met what to think or believe. Imagine telling him that he can't believe in a statement, because it has some negative connotations.

I'll assume you're both white, right?

Edited by C70R on Tuesday 14th July 16:54

I think most people are against racism, me included. I can’t speak for anyone else. The view I hold is that the BLM movement are doing a disservice to the good work many people / organisations are doing to combat racism.

Your view appears to be anyone who doesn’t agree is a racist which is plainly not true.

It’s clearly racist to think that white people hold a particular view. That’s the kind of stereotyping we are trying to get rid of is it not ?

I wasn't suggesting you were a racist.

I was, in fact, instead suggesting that you haven't got the first clue how a young person from an ethnic minority feels.

Hope that clears things up for you.

[CABC]

C70R said:

Exige77 said:

C70R said:

Exige77 said:

LucyP said:

The problem is - you cannot divorce one from another. If you support BLM, then you are supporting the politics too.

^^^^What the right honourable lady said.

Imagine telling an ethnic minority sportsman you've never met what to think or believe. Imagine telling him that he can't believe in a statement, because it has some negative connotations.

I'll assume you're both white, right?

Edited by C70R on Tuesday 14th July 16:54

I think most people are against racism, me included. I can’t speak for anyone else. The view I hold is that the BLM movement are doing a disservice to the good work many people / organisations are doing to combat racism.

Your view appears to be anyone who doesn’t agree is a racist which is plainly not true.

It’s clearly racist to think that white people hold a particular view. That’s the kind of stereotyping we are trying to get rid of is it not ?

I wasn't suggesting you were a racist.

I was, in fact, instead suggesting that you haven't got the first clue how a young person from an ethnic minority feels.

Hope that clears things up for you.

i would advise ANYONE to consider carefully supporting an organisation where they don't believe in a significant portion of the agenda. LH has stated that he supports the clear anti-racism side but not necessarily all the politics. tricky ground. shame it's descended to this.

[anonymous-user]

C70R said:

I wasn't suggesting you were a racist.

I was, in fact, instead suggesting that you haven't got the first clue how a young person from an ethnic minority feels.

Hope that clears things up for you.

Lumping all into one generic group regarding their feelings is dumb.

None of us know how someone else really feels.

The whole BLM band wagon has the potential to reverse years of progress for integration of various cultures and ethnic backgrounds if handled badly, which i think it is right now, especially in a society like the UK which is doing far better than most in this respect.

[Exige77]

C70R said:

Exige77 said:

C70R said:

Exige77 said:

LucyP said:

The problem is - you cannot divorce one from another. If you support BLM, then you are supporting the politics too.

^^^^What the right honourable lady said.

Imagine telling an ethnic minority sportsman you've never met what to think or believe. Imagine telling him that he can't believe in a statement, because it has some negative connotations.

I'll assume you're both white, right?

Edited by C70R on Tuesday 14th July 16:54

I think most people are against racism, me included. I can’t speak for anyone else. The view I hold is that the BLM movement are doing a disservice to the good work many people / organisations are doing to combat racism.

Your view appears to be anyone who doesn’t agree is a racist which is plainly not true.

It’s clearly racist to think that white people hold a particular view. That’s the kind of stereotyping we are trying to get rid of is it not ?

I wasn't suggesting you were a racist.

I was, in fact, instead suggesting that you haven't got the first clue how a young person from an ethnic minority feels.

Hope that clears things up for you.

Whether I have or haven’t is irrelevant but it’s a big “assumption” you’re making.

Racism / religionism / sexism and all the other isms are pervasive in society. Although much work has been done by society we are far away from where we want to be.

BLM is a divisive organisation that’s not taking the cause of improving Black lives forward. I think it’s a retrograde step in achieving what Lewis is aiming for.

He could achieve more by fronting something all the F1 Drivers could “wholeheartedly support”.

[C70R]

I'm sad for the amount of hate and negativity that some people seem to have, and the fact that they constantly search for the bad in everything.

I feel like internet forums tend to have a disproportionately high number of these people - or that they give them a mouthpiece they wouldn't otherwise have.

This thread could have been about one of the greatest sportsmen in a generation. Instead, a bunch of people without the first idea what it's like to walk a mile in his shoes, have turned it into a personal vendetta against the man.

It's sad. I don't want to be dragged down to your level. So I'm going to leave you to it.

[TheDeuce]

Exige77 said:

Whether I have or haven’t is irrelevant but it’s a big “assumption” you’re making.

Racism / religionism / sexism and all the other isms are pervasive in society. Although much work has been done by society we are far away from where we want to be.

BLM is a divisive organisation that’s not taking the cause of improving Black lives forward. I think it’s a retrograde step in achieving what Lewis is aiming for.

He could achieve more by fronting something all the F1 Drivers could “wholeheartedly support”.

I think he ultimately is, via the the F1 initiative 'we race as one'. That is a pretty broad message of equality - I can't see any driver having a problem getting behind that.

Also the Mercedes own initiative, which he's all over. That give hims something to talk about so he remains on message, whilst not needing to directly support BLM going forwards.

I agree BLM is divisive (it plainly has divided people..) and that the message 'Black Lives Matter', regardless of how justified it might be right now, is itself exclusionary. In addition to the fact it appears many key members are driving an agenda that exceeds anything to do with equality. As such, by being bolder than needs be, the BLM movement I think will become increasingly less potent as Lewis and probably anyone else with a wise PR manager starts to look for their own ways to get their message across, without aligning themselves with an organisation that has a few question marks floating over it.

[Exige77]

C70R said:

I'm sad for the amount of hate and negativity that some people seem to have, and the fact that they constantly search for the bad in everything.

I feel like internet forums tend to have a disproportionately high number of these people - or that they give them a mouthpiece they wouldn't otherwise have.

This thread could have been about one of the greatest sportsmen in a generation. Instead, a bunch of people without the first idea what it's like to walk a mile in his shoes, have turned it into a personal vendetta against the man.

It's sad. I don't want to be dragged down to your level. So I'm going to leave you to it.

I think you are not reading what people are writing ?

Looks like your obsessed that everyone is against Lewis which is clearly not the case.

As a great supporter of “Lewis the racing driver” I can still find fault with the pet Interests he promotes like BLM, Veganism, Environment etc.

Someone who promotes the fashion industry which is one of the worlds greatest polluters and is an environmentalist at the same time is a little strange ?

I wish Lewis all the success he has worked very hard for in F1 but at the same time wish he would stay out of political issues.