Lewis Hamilton
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Rumblestripe said:
Exige77 said:
You can tell all the misinformed people they are wrong if you like. Good luck with that.
Or I could do what you did and repeat fallacies. I'm not trying to correct "all the misinformed people", I'm correcting you. All that I can hope to achieve is that you don't repeat these fallacies in the future. If no-one challenges misinformation it becomes a de facto "truth".Jospeh Goebbels said:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
I do agree with you about the importance of perception.you're right to correct and Exige is right about perception, be it BLM, XR or the state.
i do believe there's a clear majority in the uk that want to do the right thing, and we're doing better than most countries.
i found it interesting that during the heat of brexit and windrush that a YouGov poll found that 85% (i think?) thought Windrush was a scandal and should be resolved fairly. while 48-52 were calling each other extreme names, or maybe not all were?
i would point out that if you could wave a magic wand and totally remove all racism from white people, you won't solve racism.
Socialism / Marxism are both open to interpretation. Specially by intellectuals and historians.
There is some commonality and differences but the detail is not important in “this debate”.
Winning the hearts and minds of the vast majority of normal people (the ultimate decision makers in combating racism) is the most important thing.
How the BP or BLM movement is perceived is everything.
The result is the result. You can see the result of the BP movement.
The perception of BLM movement is not one that ordinary people are embracing, they are in fact fearing it. They see violence and lawlessness. This needs to change if society is to truly tackle racism and not just play about with gestures.
I’m going to leave it now and get back to Lewis at the upcoming Hungarian F1.
There is some commonality and differences but the detail is not important in “this debate”.
Winning the hearts and minds of the vast majority of normal people (the ultimate decision makers in combating racism) is the most important thing.
How the BP or BLM movement is perceived is everything.
The result is the result. You can see the result of the BP movement.
The perception of BLM movement is not one that ordinary people are embracing, they are in fact fearing it. They see violence and lawlessness. This needs to change if society is to truly tackle racism and not just play about with gestures.
I’m going to leave it now and get back to Lewis at the upcoming Hungarian F1.
DeejRC said:
Anybody else just enjoys the bloke’s driving and doesn’t really give a f
k whether some black guy in America was killed?
Or just me?
Sadly... it’s not just about some black guy in America getting killed. A lot of people have no real idea what it’s really about, have to interest, don’t want to know and don’t give a fk whether some black guy in America was killed?Or just me?
k. So no, it’s not just you. Best just leave things the way they are eh 
I’m certainly looking forward to the 3rd race in as many weeks.
Hamilton should quit the bloody Politics and get on with bloody racing
all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
DBSV8 said:
Hamilton should quit the bloody Politics and get on with bloody racing
all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
Could I throw out a wild guess that you are a white male, by any chance?all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
DBSV8 said:
Hamilton should quit the bloody Politics and get on with bloody racing
all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
Highlighting racism is not politics or clowning.all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
He seems to be able to race and stuff you don’t like. How annoying is that DBS?
DBSV8 said:
Hamilton should quit the bloody Politics and get on with bloody racing
all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
Good on him. I didn't realise that standing up to racism was clowning. all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
DBSV8 said:
Hamilton should quit the bloody Politics and get on with bloody racing
all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
Did you copy and paste that from a Daily Mail comment section? Or did you manage come up with such bullsall this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
t all by yourself? 
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
No issue with Hamilton using his status to highlight an issue and be passionate about it. At the same time, he shouldn't then criticise others because their response to the issue is not exactly the same as his own.
I think his complaint is that others are not delivering what had previously been agreed.All the drivers wearing the same Tee-shirt gives a clear and strong message. Not being given sufficient time, so that some drivers are arriving late, some kneeling and some standing just makes it look like an ill-conceived nonsense.
Personally, I would prefer that they all stand, rather than look divided and that Liberty allow a full minute once every driver is assembled correctly wearing his Tee-shirt and only then for the drivers to form up before the national anthem of the host country plus the fly pasts etc to start the razzmatazz.
The fact that it is becoming a complete shambles justifies Lewis’s complaints - it’s not a complicated process and needs to be done right.
Kraken said:
All depends if you consider the organisation and the sentiment as the same thing. To me saying "black lives matter" isn't saying I support all the goals and ideals of a group of the same name.
If someone says they are left wing does that mean that they fully support everything that the Socialist Worker Party stands for?
Then to save any ambiguity, why not say end discrimination. If someone says they are left wing does that mean that they fully support everything that the Socialist Worker Party stands for?
DBSV8 said:
Hamilton should quit the bloody Politics and get on with bloody racing
all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
He has gone up in my estimation. all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
You're probably helping to prove his point too so thanks for that.
nickfrog said:
DBSV8 said:
Hamilton should quit the bloody Politics and get on with bloody racing
all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
He has gone up in my estimation. all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
You're probably helping to prove his point too so thanks for that.
Funny how it works.
A white footballer or rugby player stand up for gay rights and everybody rallies behind him. His mate our proud and blablabla. Good on them!
One black driver stand up for racism... He get linched by the old white establishment who try to dilute the matter and very few drivers want to be seen making to much effort apart from a few twits...
A white footballer or rugby player stand up for gay rights and everybody rallies behind him. His mate our proud and blablabla. Good on them!
One black driver stand up for racism... He get linched by the old white establishment who try to dilute the matter and very few drivers want to be seen making to much effort apart from a few twits...
paulguitar said:
nickfrog said:
DBSV8 said:
Hamilton should quit the bloody Politics and get on with bloody racing
all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
He has gone up in my estimation. all this bended knee nonsenses , then calling out Jackie Stewart , Bernie and co …. gone down in my estimation he's already played the race card once in his career and looked a complete tit afterwards
just stick to racing and quit the clowning
You're probably helping to prove his point too so thanks for that.
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