Lewis Hamilton

[Munter]

Nampahc Niloc said:

p1stonhead said:

“My house is on fire quick can you call the fire brigade!?”

“Hold on, my house matters too. In fact all houses matter.”

“Yes but yours isn’t on fire right now you fking plank”

^^^ Best yet.

But what if both houses are on fire. Just ones a smaller fire at this time. Both fires are important to the home owners, and if ignored, will completely consume the relevent house. Why should only one house get any attention from the fire service, when they appear to have the capacity to deal with both fires? Wouldn't we be best to have the fire service put out all fires? Be they Black, Asian, Police, Women, Disabled, Disfigured, Ginger, deprived white males, or whatever. Sure some fires need a raised platform, others need a small hose, but it seems ok to suggest we should put them all out.

[MarkwG]

Munter said:

But what if both houses are on fire. Just ones a smaller fire at this time. Both fires are important to the home owners, and if ignored, will completely consume the relevant house. Why should only one house get any attention from the fire service, when they appear to have the capacity to deal with both fires? Wouldn't we be best to have the fire service put out all fires? Be they Black, Asian, Police, Women, Disabled, Disfigured, Ginger, deprived white males, or whatever. Sure some fires need a raised platform, others need a small hose, but it seems ok to suggest we should put them all out.

Both houses are not on fire, though, are they...that's the point. American police officers are not stopping civilians just for being women, or for being white. Being ginger doesn't put you at a greater risk of being killed "by mistake", because you looked similar to some other ginger guy. You don't live in fear of being stopped & shot for having a brake light out, just because you're in a wheelchair. As stated elsewhere, black lives matter is not saying ONLY black lives matter - it's clearly saying black lives matter TOO, ie stop treating black people as second class citizens. It's about equal rights, which is why I struggle with why that's a problem to some people.

[CustardOnChips]

Quick question for the All Lives Matter brigade, if I may?

Do all lives really matter? What about rapists, pedophiles, drug dealers, murderers, grooming gangs and such like?

Do their lives matter the same as your familly and friends lives? I bet the don't!

[p1stonhead]

MarkwG said:

Munter said:

But what if both houses are on fire. Just ones a smaller fire at this time. Both fires are important to the home owners, and if ignored, will completely consume the relevant house. Why should only one house get any attention from the fire service, when they appear to have the capacity to deal with both fires? Wouldn't we be best to have the fire service put out all fires? Be they Black, Asian, Police, Women, Disabled, Disfigured, Ginger, deprived white males, or whatever. Sure some fires need a raised platform, others need a small hose, but it seems ok to suggest we should put them all out.

Both houses are not on fire, though, are they...that's the point. American police officers are not stopping civilians just for being women, or for being white. Being ginger doesn't put you at a greater risk of being killed "by mistake", because you looked similar to some other ginger guy. You don't live in fear of being stopped & shot for having a brake light out, just because you're in a wheelchair. As stated elsewhere, black lives matter is not saying ONLY black lives matter - it's clearly saying black lives matter TOO, ie stop treating black people as second class citizens. It's about equal rights, which is why I struggle with why that's a problem to some people.

Yeah total head scratcher....

[Munter]

MarkwG said:

Both houses are not on fire, though, are they...

Yes they are.

How many police officers got killed last year just doing their job? Do their lives not matter?

How many women got killed in domestic violence, or honour killings?

There's more than one house on fire. All the houses on fire matter.

[angrymoby]

Munter said:

Yes they are.

How many police officers got killed last year just doing their job? Do their lives not matter?

How many women got killed in domestic violence, or honour killings?

There's more than one house on fire. All the houses on fire matter.

as far as i can tell, middle aged white men's houses aren't on fire ...which is odd, considering as they're the majority of people spouting 'all lives matter'

[CustardOnChips]

Munter said:

Yes they are.

How many police officers got killed last year just doing their job? Do their lives not matter?

How many women got killed in domestic violence, or honour killings?

There's more than one house on fire. All the houses on fire matter.

How much have you done to raise awareness of these issues?

[DBSV8]

MarkwG said:

Munter said:

Bblack lives matter is not saying ONLY black lives matter - it's clearly saying black lives matter TOO, ie stop treating black people as second class citizens. It's about equal rights, which is why I struggle with why that's a problem to some people.

it should do but it doesn't ……

……….too many people have jumped on the BLM bandwagon and think ….. "ONLY BLM" this is why you have had high profile Black athletes and personalities both Black and white publicly saying don't Shop in White stores etc..

quote Anthony Joshua ?????

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-f...

which is racist and undermines what BLM should have been trying to achieve ,,,,,

I get the picture but don't agree with Hamiltons stance and as a sportsman he should get on with racing

[p1stonhead]

angrymoby said:

Munter said:

Yes they are.

How many police officers got killed last year just doing their job? Do their lives not matter?

How many women got killed in domestic violence, or honour killings?

There's more than one house on fire. All the houses on fire matter.

as far as i can tell, middle aged white men's houses aren't on fire ...which is odd, considering as they're the majority of people spouting 'all lives matter'

'When You're Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression'

[Munter]

CustardOnChips said:

Munter said:

Yes they are.

How many police officers got killed last year just doing their job? Do their lives not matter?

How many women got killed in domestic violence, or honour killings?

There's more than one house on fire. All the houses on fire matter.

How much have you done to raise awareness of these issues?

Hey. One question at a time.
Do the live of those people not matter?

I suspect Lewis would say honour killings are a bad thing, and the lives taken that way do matter, just like black lives matter.

Or do you think he's all for an honor killing so long as the victim isn't black? I suspect you don't.

So ultimately the whole "house on fire" analogy is a bit pants. For making this case. Many houses are on fire. Lewis is focused on one, that's fine. But the others also exist.

[p1stonhead]

Munter said:

CustardOnChips said:

Munter said:

Yes they are.

How many police officers got killed last year just doing their job? Do their lives not matter?

How many women got killed in domestic violence, or honour killings?

There's more than one house on fire. All the houses on fire matter.

How much have you done to raise awareness of these issues?

Hey. One question at a time.
Do the live of those people not matter?

I suspect Lewis would say honour killings are a bad thing, and the lives taken that way do matter, just like black lives matter.

Or do you think he's all for an honor killing so long as the victim isn't black? I suspect you don't.

So ultimately the whole "house on fire" analogy is a bit pants. For making this case. Many houses are on fire. Lewis is focused on one, that's fine. But the others also exist.

Are you really that dense that you don’t understand that it’s ‘black lives matter too’

?

Every point you have made suggests you don’t get that.

[MarkwG]

Munter said:

MarkwG said:

Both houses are not on fire, though, are they...

Yes they are.

How many police officers got killed last year just doing their job? Do their lives not matter?

How many women got killed in domestic violence, or honour killings?

There's more than one house on fire. All the houses on fire matter.

Black lives matter TOO - not INSTEAD OF, as I wrote. In the US, significantly more citizens are killed by the police, than the other way around, and a disproportionate number of those are black - that's the maths of it. No one is trying to justify other deaths, or saying those don't matter - "support BLM, ignore battered wives"; where does it say that? There are already campaigns regrading domestic violence & honour killings, & no one is saying stop those, focus on this. It's not a complex message, unless you want it to be.

[Munter]

MarkwG said:

Black lives matter TOO - not INSTEAD OF, .

The whole basis of my posts. Glad you could join me.

[Munter]

p1stonhead said:

Are you really that dense that you don’t understand that it’s ‘black lives matter too’

?

Every point you have made suggests you don’t get that.

No my posts say the analogy doesn't work, because the point bring made is that many houses are actually on fire.

[p1stonhead]

Munter said:

p1stonhead said:

Are you really that dense that you don’t understand that it’s ‘black lives matter too’

?

Every point you have made suggests you don’t get that.

No my posts say the analogy doesn't work, because the point bring made is that many houses are actually on fire.

Ok yeah you don’t get it.

[Munter]

p1stonhead said:

Munter said:

p1stonhead said:

Are you really that dense that you don’t understand that it’s ‘black lives matter too’

?

Every point you have made suggests you don’t get that.

No my posts say the analogy doesn't work, because the point bring made is that many houses are actually on fire.

Ok yeah you don’t get it.

But you just agreed with my point. Black lives matter too. To matter "too" there has to be other lives that matter. As such. There would have to be more than one house on fire, at which point the fire analogy doesn't work.

[MarkwG]

Munter said:

MarkwG said:

Black lives matter TOO - not INSTEAD OF, .

The whole basis of my posts. Glad you could join me.

Edited quoting doesn't mean I agree with you, as you know...

[Munter]

MarkwG said:

Munter said:

MarkwG said:

Black lives matter TOO - not INSTEAD OF, .

The whole basis of my posts. Glad you could join me.

Edited quoting doesn't mean I agree with you, as you know...

But you are saying what I'm saying. I didn't read the rest of your post. Because it's pointless if we're saying the same thing.

Because of that the analogy doesn't work. There's more than one house on fire. They all matter.

[MarkwG]

Munter said:

MarkwG said:

Munter said:

MarkwG said:

Black lives matter TOO - not INSTEAD OF, .

The whole basis of my posts. Glad you could join me.

Edited quoting doesn't mean I agree with you, as you know...

But you are saying what I'm saying. I didn't read the rest of your post. Because it's pointless if we're saying the same thing.

Because of that the analogy doesn't work. There's more than one house on fire. They all matter.

Well try reading all of it then, rather than misquoting. Let's try again.
House 1, let's call it your house, is on fire. House 2, let's call it my house, is not on fire. The fire service turn up to attend to yours; I stand outside mine whining about why they're not aiming their hoses at my house, which still isn't on fire, or in any danger of being on fire - but yours still is. Somewhere, on the far side of town, a house may be on fire, in which case, another fire service will attend to that fire... because more than one fire service exists. How do you feel about my whining, right now, about my house, which is fine, whilst yours is burning down? Got it yet?

[Munter]

MarkwG said:

Well try reading all of it then, rather than misquoting. Let's try again.
House 1, let's call it your house, is on fire. House 2, let's call it my house, is not on fire. The fire service turn up to attend to yours; I stand outside mine whining about why they're not aiming their hoses at my house, which still isn't on fire, or in any danger of being on fire - but yours still is. Somewhere, on the far side of town, a house may be on fire, in which case, another fire service will attend to that fire... because more than one fire service exists. How do you feel about my whining, right now, about my house, which is fine, whilst yours is burning down? Got it yet?

It doesn't matter who's the 2nd house belongs to. It's on fire, and it needs putting out.

We know there's more than one house on fire. The house fire is not exclusive to a single property. We need to deal with all the house fires appropriate to the fire they are experiencing.

Thus analogy doesn't work.