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farm said:
Umm, sorry, must be at the wrong site. Looking for an F1 racing site?
Agreed. Also guilty. Not even discussing Lewis Hamilton anymore, never mind his F1 exploits. I wonder what he’ll make of the British Gp without spectators. He always says it’s the best weekend of the year because of the track and the crowd. No crowd this time, so is the track enough?Nampahc Niloc said:
farm said:
Umm, sorry, must be at the wrong site. Looking for an F1 racing site?
Agreed. Also guilty. Not even discussing Lewis Hamilton anymore, never mind his F1 exploits. I wonder what he’ll make of the British Gp without spectators. He always says it’s the best weekend of the year because of the track and the crowd. No crowd this time, so is the track enough?farm said:
Umm, sorry, must be at the wrong site. Looking for an F1 racing site?
That was my initial reaction . However on looking back through some of the newer postings I could perhaps believe that all those fires that are being talked about would be put out quicker if Lewis is driving the fire engine . rdjohn said:
jsf said:
rdjohn said:
All the drivers wearing the same Tee-shirt gives a clear and strong message.
Lewis is the only driver wearing a different Tee-shirt. It's a big mistake he is making associating himself with BLM when the message should be to simply end racism.
The statement BLM is as hollow as #MeToo. I do not believe it will stand the test of time. “End Racism” should be an eternal objective.
I also feel that “taking the knee” looks like subjugation. Way back in 1968 I thought that the black-power salutes, while standing on the Olympic podium, sent a much stronger message to the world.
M5-911 said:
Fascinating how hard people on here will try deny any form of racism, twist and contradict any stories to repulse it. Bravo!
You've not replied to my question. Can you please answer it. What's racist about the below?BBCNonsense said:
Filmmaker and art director Ezekixl Akinnewu remembers being racially gaslighted while working in the art sector and being "tone policed" by a colleague for his flamboyant personality and for being "too loud."
"When you are like that around people of different races, they come and say, 'why are you so loud?' And when I say that it is just the way I am, they take it [that] you are being 'aggressive.'"
"When you are like that around people of different races, they come and say, 'why are you so loud?' And when I say that it is just the way I am, they take it [that] you are being 'aggressive.'"
faa77 said:
I think that the article doesn't highlight the situation and the context of this gentleman, i give it to you.
I find it interesting that you completely blanked the other incidents in the article:
Abusers will make them question their own judgement through victim blaming, policing their tone of voice, denial, dismissiveness and manipulation."
Angelique says that some of the techniques used to racially gaslight include: countering someone's memory of events, withholding "understanding" or refusing to listen, conveniently "forgetting" or denying that something happened, playing down a person's feelings as unimportant or irrational, diverting to focus on credibility of what someone is saying and victim blaming
"Go back to your own country," he shouted, along with other statements suggesting I don't belong in Britain.
When I spoke to a friend that night about the incident, she questioned whether the person was really racist or had "other issues" that may have led him to act the way he did.
"I wouldn't worry too much," my friend said. "It's probably an isolated incident. I don't think racism exists anymore really."
She probably felt it would reassure me but racism does exist and it's people like me that have to bear the brunt of it.
"One comment I hear often is 'I don't think that was racist,' which again questions the victim, and also invalidates the victim. Both of these instances are a form of trauma," says trauma therapist Diana Anzaldua.
Speaking on the Black Lives Matter protests, Diana says, "we're hearing comments like, 'if you protested more peacefully, more people would listen.' This comment is essentially blaming the victim based on race."
My friend's dismissiveness and unwillingness to address the underlying problem is a prime example of racial gaslighting - and it can have implications for a person's mental health.
I remember feeling extremely low after this incident and like I wasn't accepted for being who I am.
It knocked my self-esteem to think that people want me to compromise my identity and be something I'm not.
I will not be conflicted into compromising my identity as a woman of colour or as a Muslim in hijab and change myself to meet the expectations of others.
I don't think that you need to have study psychology to understand it.
faa77 said:
faa77 said:
If he didn't dress like a wannabe gangster/prima donna more people would probably like him.
To elaborate: during one of the races last season he was shown entering the circuit and his blonde servant was struggling behind him, carrying all his stuff. Meanwhile the other drivers were carrying their own equipment.
Edited by faa77 on Saturday 18th July 20:47
Now I understand a bit more about you. The term "gaslighting" fit quiet well with your comments, no surprise that you struggle to understand.
As you can see I didn't use "Racial gaslighting" to comment on you as I beleive that you are just trolling for fun.
M5-911 said:
Now I understand a bit more about you. The term "gaslighting" fit quiet well with your comments, no surprise that you struggle to understand.
As you can see I didn't use "Racial gaslighting" to comment on you as I beleive that you are just trolling for fun.
No, i'm not a troll. You posted a link, I read it, highlighted what nonsense it was and now I'm asking you to clarify.As you can see I didn't use "Racial gaslighting" to comment on you as I beleive that you are just trolling for fun.
What does the below have to do with racism? If you can't answer, it's because you know i'm right.....
BBCNonsense said:
Filmmaker and art director Ezekixl Akinnewu remembers being racially gaslighted while working in the art sector and being "tone policed" by a colleague for his flamboyant personality and for being "too loud."
"When you are like that around people of different races, they come and say, 'why are you so loud?' And when I say that it is just the way I am, they take it [that] you are being 'aggressive.'
"When you are like that around people of different races, they come and say, 'why are you so loud?' And when I say that it is just the way I am, they take it [that] you are being 'aggressive.'
faa77 said:
M5-911 said:
Now I understand a bit more about you. The term "gaslighting" fit quiet well with your comments, no surprise that you struggle to understand.
As you can see I didn't use "Racial gaslighting" to comment on you as I beleive that you are just trolling for fun.
No, i'm not a troll. You posted a link, I read it, highlighted what nonsense it was and now I'm asking you to clarify.As you can see I didn't use "Racial gaslighting" to comment on you as I beleive that you are just trolling for fun.
What does the below have to do with racism? If you can't answer, it's because you know i'm right.....
BBCNonsense said:
Filmmaker and art director Ezekixl Akinnewu remembers being racially gaslighted while working in the art sector and being "tone policed" by a colleague for his flamboyant personality and for being "too loud."
"When you are like that around people of different races, they come and say, 'why are you so loud?' And when I say that it is just the way I am, they take it [that] you are being 'aggressive.'
"When you are like that around people of different races, they come and say, 'why are you so loud?' And when I say that it is just the way I am, they take it [that] you are being 'aggressive.'
Enjoy your sunday.
M5-911 said:
Sorry, but if you can't understand the article and of course blank all of the other comments on the same article which I have copy and paste for you to have a better understanding, I really can't help you.
Enjoy your sunday.
Thanks. You've admitted one of the stories you quoted has nothing to do with racism.Enjoy your sunday.
I think the problem with the All Lives Matter crowd is they don't realise that whilst they're correct in saying that if many houses are on fire we should put them all out, we only have a finite amount of water in the fire engines.
At that point where you know resources are spread thin do you put out the biggest fire or do you try and apply water equally to all fires regardless of size?
Right now, racism to black people is the biggest fire, therefore we should put it out. It's not that we've forgotten about the other fires, it's that we don't have enough focus or energy or resources to apply equality with any meaningful impact.
We can fight one fire at a time so let's do that. Eventually we get through them all.
At that point where you know resources are spread thin do you put out the biggest fire or do you try and apply water equally to all fires regardless of size?
Right now, racism to black people is the biggest fire, therefore we should put it out. It's not that we've forgotten about the other fires, it's that we don't have enough focus or energy or resources to apply equality with any meaningful impact.
We can fight one fire at a time so let's do that. Eventually we get through them all.
F1GTRUeno said:
I think the problem with the All Lives Matter crowd is they don't realise that whilst they're correct in saying that if many houses are on fire we should put them all out, we only have a finite amount of water in the fire engines.
At that point where you know resources are spread thin do you put out the biggest fire or do you try and apply water equally to all fires regardless of size?
Right now, racism to black people is the biggest fire, therefore we should put it out. It's not that we've forgotten about the other fires, it's that we don't have enough focus or energy or resources to apply equality with any meaningful impact.
We can fight one fire at a time so let's do that. Eventually we get through them all.
The problem with BLM is they're a left-wing, Marxist group and their moderate empathisers are apologist Cultural Marxists.At that point where you know resources are spread thin do you put out the biggest fire or do you try and apply water equally to all fires regardless of size?
Right now, racism to black people is the biggest fire, therefore we should put it out. It's not that we've forgotten about the other fires, it's that we don't have enough focus or energy or resources to apply equality with any meaningful impact.
We can fight one fire at a time so let's do that. Eventually we get through them all.
It's not about ending racism. They have a problem with......... another race and they want compensating.
It anybody had any doubt how divisive Lewis’s BLM gesturing is, Just read this thread.
Instead of bringing proper together against racism, it’s just dividing them even further.
I wish he would just stick to his driving and promote the “we race as one” idea together with his fellow drivers.
Instead of bringing proper together against racism, it’s just dividing them even further.
I wish he would just stick to his driving and promote the “we race as one” idea together with his fellow drivers.
Exitleft said:
Gosh you have a major chip weighing on your shoulder.
Disliking an extremist group who want to defund the police means I have a chip on my shoulder? 
Exitleft said:
I don’t identify with your description of who I am supposed to be. I am late fifties, English white, living in NY, work in finance, like cars, like F1, open minded, listened, read and learnt a lot on my travels. I think BLM is a great thing. No qualification.
Nothing here contradicts my message. You could still be an apologist.Exitleft said:
It at the very least will help educate just a few bigots. The sort that use playground words like Marxist as a slur without knowing what it means. From activity on this forum depressing to see so much ignorance still exists. I’m in no rush to come back, except to watch Lewis win races of course.
So BLM wanting to defund the police and end capitalism isn't Marxist? 
Exige77 said:
It anybody had any doubt how divisive Lewis’s BLM gesturing is, Just read this thread.
Instead of bringing proper together against racism, it’s just dividing them even further.
I wish he would just stick to his driving and promote the “we race as one” idea together with his fellow drivers.
Wow, I agree.Instead of bringing proper together against racism, it’s just dividing them even further.
I wish he would just stick to his driving and promote the “we race as one” idea together with his fellow drivers.
It'd also be nice if he wore "End Racism" t-shirt (like the other 19 drivers) instead of BLM
Exige77 said:
It anybody had any doubt how divisive Lewis’s BLM gesturing is, Just read this thread.
Instead of bringing proper together against racism, it’s just dividing them even further.
I wish he would just stick to his driving and promote the “we race as one” idea together with his fellow drivers.
Aye, the ones that want to end racism get behind it and the ones that don't call it divisive and start picking apart the BLM organisation rather than the message that most normal people have taken on board.Instead of bringing proper together against racism, it’s just dividing them even further.
I wish he would just stick to his driving and promote the “we race as one” idea together with his fellow drivers.
It's more support the idea of #BLM than it is support for the 'BLM' organisation that deriders call marxist to try and dilute the point or claim ALM again to dilute the point and pretend as if they give a s
t about anyone but themselves.F1GTRUeno said:
It's more support the idea of #BLM than it is support for the 'BLM' organisation that deriders call marxist to try and dilute the point or claim ALM again to dilute the point and pretend as if they give a st about anyone but themselves.
BLM has a valid justification in the US, where that guy was needlessly killed by the police.t about anyone but themselves.BLM has absolutely NO justification in the UK. Lefties jumped on a global story to try and get their wishlist (starting with pulling down statues).
Think I'm wrong? Go and look at the BLM marches- Socialist Worker placards, pride, probably anti-austerity/anti-Tories, the usual Antifa brigade.
Exige77 said:
It anybody had any doubt how divisive Lewis’s BLM gesturing is, Just read this thread.
Instead of bringing proper together against racism, it’s just dividing them even further.
I wish he would just stick to his driving and promote the “we race as one” idea together with his fellow drivers.
The division was already there being papered over by discussing it & having division whilst discussing this I'd say Lewis is doing the right thing, it's not a comfortable discussion to have but one worth having imo, you don't have to agree but seeing other peoples perspective can't hurt.Instead of bringing proper together against racism, it’s just dividing them even further.
I wish he would just stick to his driving and promote the “we race as one” idea together with his fellow drivers.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Sunday 26th July 20:50
Exige77 said:
It anybody had any doubt how divisive Lewis’s BLM gesturing is, Just read this thread.
Instead of bringing proper together against racism, it’s just dividing them even further.
I wish he would just stick to his driving and promote the “we race as one” idea together with his fellow drivers.
NoInstead of bringing proper together against racism, it’s just dividing them even further.
I wish he would just stick to his driving and promote the “we race as one” idea together with his fellow drivers.
If you cannot get behind a simple statement that "Black Lives Matter", you are not being honest with yourself. There is no "more" on the end of BLM, if you are not black you should not be threatened by it. If you think it is "divisive" you are guilty of being "played" by those who would divide us. When you point to people tagging on to the "movement" like perhaps far left groups that is what those who wish to maintain division want you to look at. Does a racist in the Tory Party make it a racist movement? Of course not and a Marxist sympathising with BLM doesn't make BLM "Far Left". I doubt that anyone would describe Mr. Hamilton as a "leftie", he is no doubt a very rich man. He is using his position in the spotlight to try to make a difference for those who are not so lucky.
It is a familiar excuse of the right, when a poor person cries for a fairer society it is "the politics of envy" when a rich person wants the same thing they are hypocrites.
Come on wake up.
One race human, be it.
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