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HustleRussell said:
Hence Exige77's question is a pertinent one. It appears Hamilton is mindful about this and products he is involved with are ahead of the curve. However that article certainly doesn't answer the question.
Some more information;https://thebeet.com/formula-one-champion-lewis-ham...
https://wwd.com/fashion-news/fashion-features/lewi...
https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/alist/lewis-ham...
I wonder how sustainable all this stuff is? Does anyone care, since it isn't Hamilton?
https://www.verstappenshop.nl/en
HustleRussell said:
It doesn't though, does it? There is nothing quantitative there. It is just telling us that it is less environmentally damaging than 'normal' fashion by an unspecified margin.
I hate the fashion industry in general. I hate the whole fact that there is a widespread culture of wearing items of clothing for a limited period and then binning them and buying new and slightly different looking clothes. The industry as a whole generates huge amounts of plastic, much of which ends up in the sea. It dirties huge amounts of clean water. It exploits child and basically slave labour.
Hence Exige77's question is a pertinent one. It appears Hamilton is mindful about this and products he is involved with are ahead of the curve. However that article certainly doesn't answer the question.
ahhhh so that was YOU stood outside my window b0llock naked last night!....I mean you cant possibly wear clothes knowing how environmentally damaging the fashion industry....or are you still wearing your school blazer from 30 something years ago?...I mean, you cant be wastful, right?I hate the fashion industry in general. I hate the whole fact that there is a widespread culture of wearing items of clothing for a limited period and then binning them and buying new and slightly different looking clothes. The industry as a whole generates huge amounts of plastic, much of which ends up in the sea. It dirties huge amounts of clean water. It exploits child and basically slave labour.
Hence Exige77's question is a pertinent one. It appears Hamilton is mindful about this and products he is involved with are ahead of the curve. However that article certainly doesn't answer the question.
I jest of course, but isn't the human race wasteful in general? motorsport is mainly full of disposable products, as is the automotive industry as a whole (unless youre still driving around in a 1923 model T), food is wasted, babies mainly use disposable nappies etc etc
Hamilton is trying to do something about it through the companies whom he works through whether its Mercedes or Tommy, which is more than others are doing.
does that make him a hypocrite? hardly...sure, its green shoots, but it means hes trying to lead the change rather than just carry on in the same old way...he cant do everything himself though.
As an aside, Charles Leclerc launched his own fashion brand about 12 months ago.....again on the sustainability front....
http://scuderiafans.com/charles-leclerc-to-launch-...
guess how far they've got with that?....and how much of the environment they have saved?...click on the Instagram link.
Edited by WickerBill on Wednesday 29th July 13:46
It's clear that my support of Exige77's question has caused certain people to assume that I've got a problem with Hamilton's association with it. I clearly just asked the question.
This is the problem with this thread, people cannot tolerate the idea that you can like Hamilton without condoning his every action, or that you can dislike him whilst respecting his talent etc etc. Any skepticism is jumped upon by devout followers and any positive remark is immediately countered by one of those in this thread who seem to hold a consistent prejudice against him. It was a question with the addition of the statement that I hate the fashion industry in general and others which generate a lot of needless waste or exploit vulnerable people.
I was told that that first link should convince me but as I said it's not quantitative in any way so I'm still on the fence about Hamilton's involvement with respect to his environmental rhetoric and deeply skeptical about the industry, which like so many others has increasingly marketed itself as a reformed and environmentally conscious recently.
This is the problem with this thread, people cannot tolerate the idea that you can like Hamilton without condoning his every action, or that you can dislike him whilst respecting his talent etc etc. Any skepticism is jumped upon by devout followers and any positive remark is immediately countered by one of those in this thread who seem to hold a consistent prejudice against him. It was a question with the addition of the statement that I hate the fashion industry in general and others which generate a lot of needless waste or exploit vulnerable people.
I was told that that first link should convince me but as I said it's not quantitative in any way so I'm still on the fence about Hamilton's involvement with respect to his environmental rhetoric and deeply skeptical about the industry, which like so many others has increasingly marketed itself as a reformed and environmentally conscious recently.
WickerBill said:
but isn't the human race wasteful in general? motorsport is mainly full of disposable products, as is the automotive industry as a whole (unless youre still driving around in a 1923 model T), food is wasted, babies mainly use disposable nappies etc etc
You say that as if it's an inalienable fact and a right of human existence. Sadly a lot of people seem hold this view. Guess what, washable nappies exist, many disposable products can be substituted for re-usable ones, it is possible to reduce the waste of food and water and where that is done it should be quite easy to quantify. HustleRussell said:
HighwayStar said:
Interesting... they’ll still find a reason to slate his involvement though.
I hope you're not including me in that because I have been a perennial defender of Hamilton here. HustleRussell said:
You say that as if it's an inalienable fact and a right of human existence. Sadly a lot of people seem hold this view. Guess what, washable nappies exist, many disposable products can be substituted for re-usable ones, it is possible to reduce the waste of food and water and where that is done it should be quite easy to quantify.
no....I say that because its the reality of the situation. society is changing, we are all recycling more and become less wasteful, but there are certain sections of society and products that remain wasteful.
it doesn't mean we shouldn't try harder....Hamilton is trying to do that
I wasn't having a pop at you
Edited by WickerBill on Wednesday 29th July 14:46
tobinen said:
deadslow said:
Christ, this thread is becoming even more pathetic than usual 
Just when you think it can't go any lower....the thread deliversIn the past, we've had moaning about his hair and earrings, FFS...
Surprised this hasn’t made the thread already.
https://youtu.be/t6H2wU8IjI0
2.38
It’s not the kind of music I listen to, but hats off to him for doing something he clearly loves.
https://youtu.be/t6H2wU8IjI0
2.38
It’s not the kind of music I listen to, but hats off to him for doing something he clearly loves.
There is some serious hate for Lewis in here. I'm a fan of his so my viewpoint is clearly biased but I see nothing wrong with what he does outside of the sport/where he chooses to live/what causes he chooses to support. I'm not a vegan, and never will be, but I don't choose to put anybody down for that. In regards to the taxes that he pays, you only have to go into the Business or Finance pages on here to see people asking questions about mitigating their tax exposure. Trying to reduce your tax bill doesn't make you a bad person and I'm sure the attention, and subsequent financial support that brings, he garners for causes close to him is more beneficial than him paying HMRC some more money each year.
As I said though, I'm a fan of his so my opinion is probably worth nothing but any driver who can turn up to a track week in week out and drive the wheels off a car, spend time with the engineers running through data and setups and then go and do his own thing during the week deserve a round of applause in my book.
As I said though, I'm a fan of his so my opinion is probably worth nothing but any driver who can turn up to a track week in week out and drive the wheels off a car, spend time with the engineers running through data and setups and then go and do his own thing during the week deserve a round of applause in my book.
The fixation on tax I always find weird. Hamilton is certainly not in the slightest bit unique in terms of having financial advisors arranging his tax affairs so that he pays the minimum amount necessary.
Maybe some of PH's powerfully built directors and consultants ought to have a word with themselves about their min wage + dividends and SPLC schemes.
Maybe some of PH's powerfully built directors and consultants ought to have a word with themselves about their min wage + dividends and SPLC schemes.
chml said:
There is some serious hate for Lewis in here. I'm a fan of his so my viewpoint is clearly biased but I see nothing wrong with what he does outside of the sport/where he chooses to live/what causes he chooses to support. I'm not a vegan, and never will be, but I don't choose to put anybody down for that. In regards to the taxes that he pays, you only have to go into the Business or Finance pages on here to see people asking questions about mitigating their tax exposure. Trying to reduce your tax bill doesn't make you a bad person and I'm sure the attention, and subsequent financial support that brings, he garners for causes close to him is more beneficial than him paying HMRC some more money each year.
As I said though, I'm a fan of his so my opinion is probably worth nothing but any driver who can turn up to a track week in week out and drive the wheels off a car, spend time with the engineers running through data and setups and then go and do his own thing during the week deserve a round of applause in my book.
I’ll add a round of applause too . And also accept one for yourself because coming on here and expressing rational views like this is , it would seem , foolhardy.As I said though, I'm a fan of his so my opinion is probably worth nothing but any driver who can turn up to a track week in week out and drive the wheels off a car, spend time with the engineers running through data and setups and then go and do his own thing during the week deserve a round of applause in my book.
chml said:
I'm not a vegan, and never will be, but I don't choose to put anybody down for that.
I'm not a vegan. I don't have the willpower. However the benefits to health and environment (if done well) are so understood these days that advocating a vegan diet is a solid standpoint. However others like me who can't, resent being told by somebody who can.
HustleRussell said:
I'm not a vegan. I don't have the willpower. However the benefits to health and environment (if done well) are so understood these days that advocating a vegan diet is a solid standpoint.
However others like me who can't, resent being told by somebody who can.
If someone wants me to try a vegan meal, I've got no beef with that. However others like me who can't, resent being told by somebody who can.
HorneyMX5 said:
Surprised this hasn’t made the thread already.
https://youtu.be/t6H2wU8IjI0
2.38
It’s not the kind of music I listen to, but hats off to him for doing something he clearly loves.
And did that under the radar, 2 years ago, under a pseudonym. https://youtu.be/t6H2wU8IjI0
2.38
It’s not the kind of music I listen to, but hats off to him for doing something he clearly loves.
Kinda suggests he is doing it because he loves it, not because he was looking for press/fame/more money.
When at Primary school in the early 1960’s, I was taught that humans are natural omnivores, the biggest clue being the variety of teeth that we possess. This was probably just before a visit from the school dentist. Such trivia is probably excluded from the national school curriculum these days.
Most of my diet is vegetarian, we only tend to eat meat, fish and poultry in our evening meal - meat never more than twice per week. Like HustleRussel, I also take great exception to being told this is wrong. I take particular exception being lectured to by a poacher turned game-keeper like Lewis. He has the benefit of the ever present Angela Cullen, to plan every aspect of his diet, excercise and lifestyle for him. Normal folk rarely do.
I do get that it can be perceived that it is morally wrong to breed animals for slaughter, but that is simply a reflection of how humans rose to the top of the food-chain.
I also believe that it is far more important for him to encourage his fans to maintain a healthy weight by adhering to a sensible diet and exercise.
Most of my diet is vegetarian, we only tend to eat meat, fish and poultry in our evening meal - meat never more than twice per week. Like HustleRussel, I also take great exception to being told this is wrong. I take particular exception being lectured to by a poacher turned game-keeper like Lewis. He has the benefit of the ever present Angela Cullen, to plan every aspect of his diet, excercise and lifestyle for him. Normal folk rarely do.
I do get that it can be perceived that it is morally wrong to breed animals for slaughter, but that is simply a reflection of how humans rose to the top of the food-chain.
I also believe that it is far more important for him to encourage his fans to maintain a healthy weight by adhering to a sensible diet and exercise.
I can understand him pushing the plant-bassed thing. Many of the people I have met who have gone in that direction tend to get quite evangelical about it because they often feel so healthy as a result and wish to 'spread the word'.
I think I could fairly easily give up meat, which I rarely eat anyway, but I'd really struggle to give up seafood.
I think I could fairly easily give up meat, which I rarely eat anyway, but I'd really struggle to give up seafood.
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