McLaren - Ron Dennis set to leave McLaren F1
Discussion
bunglesprout said:
This story is starting to get quite juicy now. Sky are now reporting that Dennis could be replaced by Brawn, Whitmarsh and Justin King, with Boullier moving to Ferrari as mentioned above. I would love to see Ross Brawn back, but does he really want it? The same applies to Martin Whitmarsh. I think people generally forget how deeply intelligent these people are, but if the planets don't quite align, they can end up looking foolish.
FWIW I like RD, an absolutely fascinating character. There is something about the way he speaks I find incredibly engaging. It just makes me stop and listen. The same applies to Gordon Murray, his Motorsport podcasts are mesmerising. As opposed to for example, Christian Horner, who is a nasally whining
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I've seen an Andrew Beneon puff piece online. Is this what Sky are referring to?FWIW I like RD, an absolutely fascinating character. There is something about the way he speaks I find incredibly engaging. It just makes me stop and listen. The same applies to Gordon Murray, his Motorsport podcasts are mesmerising. As opposed to for example, Christian Horner, who is a nasally whining
. bunglesprout said:
This story is starting to get quite juicy now. Sky are now reporting that Dennis could be replaced by Brawn, Whitmarsh and Justin King, with Boullier moving to Ferrari as mentioned above. I would love to see Ross Brawn back, but does he really want it? The same applies to Martin Whitmarsh. I think people generally forget how deeply intelligent these people are, but if the planets don't quite align, they can end up looking foolish.
FWIW I like RD, an absolutely fascinating character. There is something about the way he speaks I find incredibly engaging. It just makes me stop and listen. The same applies to Gordon Murray, his Motorsport podcasts are mesmerising. As opposed to for example, Christian Horner, who is a nasally whining.
I think brawn would only come back if offered complete freedom/control. Reading between the lines slightly I think the merc story was as much a clash of egos as anything with the paymasters wanting some "mercedes people" basking in glory. Whether mclaren could or would go with this who knows but I've said many a time they need a proper shake up and Brawn could be just the person to do it.FWIW I like RD, an absolutely fascinating character. There is something about the way he speaks I find incredibly engaging. It just makes me stop and listen. The same applies to Gordon Murray, his Motorsport podcasts are mesmerising. As opposed to for example, Christian Horner, who is a nasally whining
. hairyben said:
bunglesprout said:
This story is starting to get quite juicy now. Sky are now reporting that Dennis could be replaced by Brawn, Whitmarsh and Justin King, with Boullier moving to Ferrari as mentioned above. I would love to see Ross Brawn back, but does he really want it? The same applies to Martin Whitmarsh. I think people generally forget how deeply intelligent these people are, but if the planets don't quite align, they can end up looking foolish.
FWIW I like RD, an absolutely fascinating character. There is something about the way he speaks I find incredibly engaging. It just makes me stop and listen. The same applies to Gordon Murray, his Motorsport podcasts are mesmerising. As opposed to for example, Christian Horner, who is a nasally whining.
I think brawn would only come back if offered complete freedom/control. Reading between the lines slightly I think the merc story was as much a clash of egos as anything with the paymasters wanting some "mercedes people" basking in glory. Whether mclaren could or would go with this who knows but I've said many a time they need a proper shake up and Brawn could be just the person to do it.FWIW I like RD, an absolutely fascinating character. There is something about the way he speaks I find incredibly engaging. It just makes me stop and listen. The same applies to Gordon Murray, his Motorsport podcasts are mesmerising. As opposed to for example, Christian Horner, who is a nasally whining
. Sylvaforever said:
yes but it's the timescale of deconstructing/reconstruction that woukd be the issue imo...
That depends though doesnt it; mercedes might have inherited a championship team but it was a team losing its edge in the 2nd half, that hadnt planned for the future, were not really in that good shape and had lost the key gimmick/advantage that made them champions, but they went to a win in y3, 3 in y4 plus 2nd in constructors and the rest is still being written. Is that a bad timescale?Anyway I think someone like renault would be more fitting and if they arent, damn well should be flapping a chequebook in his face and asking what numbers he wants on it.
Brundel pretty much confirmed it in tonights qually show, when asked if he had it on good authority he simply repeated (deadpan) "Ron will be out at the end of the year".
BE going, RD going, new owners, new rules, new races and Adrian Newey pretty much back at the top in Red Bull, interesting times ahead......
BE going, RD going, new owners, new rules, new races and Adrian Newey pretty much back at the top in Red Bull, interesting times ahead......
sirtyro said:
Ron not at Mclaren just doesn't sound right. I know he will stay at the MTC and keep all the other businesses but Mclaren is what it is because of Ron.
What is it? A mid-tier team that last won WDC in 2008 and last won the WCC in 1998.I admire him, but it is time for new leadership.
Vaud said:
sirtyro said:
Ron not at Mclaren just doesn't sound right. I know he will stay at the MTC and keep all the other businesses but Mclaren is what it is because of Ron.
What is it? A mid-tier team that last won WDC in 2008 and last won the WCC in 1998.I admire him, but it is time for new leadership.
ralphrj said:
I think that the 2014 accounts for McLaren must make sobering reading for the shareholders.
£35m paid to Mercedes to not have to run the best engine in F1.
£10m compensation to the CEO that (perhaps) they want back.
£??m spent on the MP4-29H/1X1 that only managed 6 untimed laps.
You have to hope that the only way from here is up.
Shame Crieghton Brown isn't still with us to provide some stability£35m paid to Mercedes to not have to run the best engine in F1.
£10m compensation to the CEO that (perhaps) they want back.
£??m spent on the MP4-29H/1X1 that only managed 6 untimed laps.
You have to hope that the only way from here is up.
There have been several McLaren threads recently so rather than start another one I thought I would add this here.
McLaren have (finally) filed their accounts for 2015. Despite being a terrible season on the track the financial performance improved.
Turnover increased by £14.3m to £188.2m
Profit for the year before tax was £5.2m compared to last years £31.0m loss.
There is no explanation for the increase in turnover but it will include the team's share of the FOM TV revenue based on their position in the 2014 WCC (5th) as it is paid annually in arrears. Unless sponsorship receipts significantly increased in 2016 this may drop in their next set of accounts as they only finished 9th in 2015.
Profit improved significantly due to:
No longer having to pay for a supply of engines - £10-20m?
Not having to pay Daimler compensation for breaching their supply contract - £35m
Not having to pay off Martin Whitmarsh - £10m
The accounts for McLaren Technology Group (the parent company) show similar improvements. They also confirm the disposal of McLaren's share in the car business.
There is no further information on Ron Dennis leaving. The only information of note is that the Bahrainis have tightened their control of Group with the appointment of 3 new Directors to the Board last week.
McLaren have (finally) filed their accounts for 2015. Despite being a terrible season on the track the financial performance improved.
Turnover increased by £14.3m to £188.2m
Profit for the year before tax was £5.2m compared to last years £31.0m loss.
There is no explanation for the increase in turnover but it will include the team's share of the FOM TV revenue based on their position in the 2014 WCC (5th) as it is paid annually in arrears. Unless sponsorship receipts significantly increased in 2016 this may drop in their next set of accounts as they only finished 9th in 2015.
Profit improved significantly due to:
No longer having to pay for a supply of engines - £10-20m?
Not having to pay Daimler compensation for breaching their supply contract - £35m
Not having to pay off Martin Whitmarsh - £10m
The accounts for McLaren Technology Group (the parent company) show similar improvements. They also confirm the disposal of McLaren's share in the car business.
There is no further information on Ron Dennis leaving. The only information of note is that the Bahrainis have tightened their control of Group with the appointment of 3 new Directors to the Board last week.
Martin Whitmarsh is very happy doing his America's Cup work and I dont think has any interest in coming back to F1. he didnt show much interest recently when interviewed in I think the Telegraph. He had a huge pay off and now enjoys a different life in a different sport. America's Cup in Bermuda next year will be a huge sporting event.
belleair302 said:
Martin Whitmarsh is very happy doing his America's Cup work and I dont think has any interest in coming back to F1. he didnt show much interest recently when interviewed in I think the Telegraph. He had a huge pay off and now enjoys a different life in a different sport. America's Cup in Bermuda next year will be a huge sporting event.
$10M? I would suspect that it bought McLaren a lot of years of non-compete, by mutual agreement....?Vaud said:
belleair302 said:
Martin Whitmarsh is very happy doing his America's Cup work and I dont think has any interest in coming back to F1. he didnt show much interest recently when interviewed in I think the Telegraph. He had a huge pay off and now enjoys a different life in a different sport. America's Cup in Bermuda next year will be a huge sporting event.
$10M? I would suspect that it bought McLaren a lot of years of non-compete, by mutual agreement....?belleair302 said:
Martin Whitmarsh is very happy doing his America's Cup work and I dont think has any interest in coming back to F1. he didnt show much interest recently when interviewed in I think the Telegraph. He had a huge pay off and now enjoys a different life in a different sport. America's Cup in Bermuda next year will be a huge sporting event.
His contract is up in 7 months' time once the Cup starts. He's off to Bermuda in a few weeks' time with the team and his focus is in moving the team's business footing from tactical to strategic. The first (well, second actuelly) fruit of his labour comes soon - BAR will announce a partnership with a commercial operation to use some of their technology shortly. This is all public record. What's interesting to me at least is that he has said to several people that he'd not rule out a return to F1 if the position were right. This is neatly ambiguous: was he approached about the McLaren role but considered it not suitable or was he not approached about it? I favour the latter. I think he'd work very well with Brawn. He's still very passionate about the sport and I personally think that his experiences with McLaren have made him a tougher nut. Like Ross! he's intelligent, professional, generous with his time and unfailingly polite.
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