Honda - another disaster ?
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Joe Saward's take on Honda's situation:
https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2017/09/06/pure-sp...
Bear in mind the title of the article and the fact that despite his protestations about being a proper F1 journalist who attends every Grand Prix Joe doesn't seem to have any more insight/real news than a lot of others.
https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2017/09/06/pure-sp...
Bear in mind the title of the article and the fact that despite his protestations about being a proper F1 journalist who attends every Grand Prix Joe doesn't seem to have any more insight/real news than a lot of others.
2fast748 said:
Joe Saward's take on Honda's situation:
https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2017/09/06/pure-sp...
Bear in mind the title of the article and the fact that despite his protestations about being a proper F1 journalist who attends every Grand Prix Joe doesn't seem to have any more insight/real news than a lot of others.
...and that Zak Brown told MS.com (and presumably every other journo at his press conference) that they would like to build their own engine in 2021, if the cost / concept is righthttps://joesaward.wordpress.com/2017/09/06/pure-sp...
Bear in mind the title of the article and the fact that despite his protestations about being a proper F1 journalist who attends every Grand Prix Joe doesn't seem to have any more insight/real news than a lot of others.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-would-c...
rdjohn said:
...and that Zak Brown told MS.com (and presumably every other journo at his press conference) that they would like to build their own engine in 2021, if the cost / concept is right
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-would-c...
Which if true then good on em I say, however they don't even build their own road car engines so to design and build a proper race engine never mind an F1 engine will take some serious minds, that said we all know that they wouldn't actually design or build their own engine which would more likely than not go out to Ricardo and just be badged as a McLarenhttps://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-would-c...
2fast748 said:
Joe Saward's take on Honda's situation:
https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2017/09/06/pure-sp...
Bear in mind the title of the article and the fact that despite his protestations about being a proper F1 journalist who attends every Grand Prix Joe doesn't seem to have any more insight/real news than a lot of others.
Honda?https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2017/09/06/pure-sp...
Bear in mind the title of the article and the fact that despite his protestations about being a proper F1 journalist who attends every Grand Prix Joe doesn't seem to have any more insight/real news than a lot of others.
McLaren self build?
Porsche?
Alfa?
Dream world.
MiniMan64 said:
Honda?
McLaren self build?
Porsche?
Alfa?
Dream world.
Alfa makes sense for Ferrari as a sub-brand.McLaren self build?
Porsche?
Alfa?
Dream world.
Porsche - yes, probably, if the engine formula is right. My source: very senor bod in Mercedes. Why do they think so... Porsche starting to sound out staff for their availability.
Porsche have obviously some great engineers from their WEC drivetrain program that will need something to do, its seems a sensible suggestion they could supply under the new regulations.
Alfa will be a badge engineering exercise for a Ferrari powertrain, there is a big push for Alfa now, with them building some great sporty cars again, so giving Alfa a higher profile in F1 makes good sense.
The key is to make sure the new regulations make building a competitive drivetrain system affordable to be competitive. It may need the rules writing in such a way they ban some of the innovation of the current engines to do that, so you go back to a standard fuel burn system and ban the pre burn chambers, give up on F1 being the place where you push engine tech and focus more on providing competitive racing.
The way the car industry is going, ICE engine development is eventually going to be pointless for the manufacturers, because there wont be a market for them, so the break between F1 and road car development is going to get wider, now is probably the right time to recognise that and design the future of F1 around the sporting contest and wow factor of the experience, still retaining the high tech engineering, but not so heavily on the drivetrain side. Let Formula E do the design and R&D on the electric drivetrain.
I think this is the way Ross and Liberty are thinking, they are in the entertainment business, not the car manufacturing business.
Alfa will be a badge engineering exercise for a Ferrari powertrain, there is a big push for Alfa now, with them building some great sporty cars again, so giving Alfa a higher profile in F1 makes good sense.
The key is to make sure the new regulations make building a competitive drivetrain system affordable to be competitive. It may need the rules writing in such a way they ban some of the innovation of the current engines to do that, so you go back to a standard fuel burn system and ban the pre burn chambers, give up on F1 being the place where you push engine tech and focus more on providing competitive racing.
The way the car industry is going, ICE engine development is eventually going to be pointless for the manufacturers, because there wont be a market for them, so the break between F1 and road car development is going to get wider, now is probably the right time to recognise that and design the future of F1 around the sporting contest and wow factor of the experience, still retaining the high tech engineering, but not so heavily on the drivetrain side. Let Formula E do the design and R&D on the electric drivetrain.
I think this is the way Ross and Liberty are thinking, they are in the entertainment business, not the car manufacturing business.
Vaud said:
MiniMan64 said:
Honda?
McLaren self build?
Porsche?
Alfa?
Dream world.
Alfa makes sense for Ferrari as a sub-brand.McLaren self build?
Porsche?
Alfa?
Dream world.
Porsche - yes, probably, if the engine formula is right. My source: very senor bod in Mercedes. Why do they think so... Porsche starting to sound out staff for their availability.
Reading about recent meetings, Porsche, VW/Audi, Aston Martin and Cosworth have all attended F1 strategy groups on future engine rules in the last few months. Ex-Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali was there on behalf of VW in his capacity as Lamborghini CEO. If the engine rules are made simpler and cheaper then almost any manufacturer could get involved.
the current engine rules sure are retarded. Essentially they got together and made it as complicated as possible and got one extra manufacturer to participate.
Rules all made to suit what Mercedes had been working on for many years.And a deluded renault thought they could do.
They need to start from scratch with something easily achievable and this is where the Americans come in that will just shout down
all the b
ks that the speccy lab boys suggest and Bernie was too old to care about.
Easy to say poach staff from each other to get to the same level but this just screams of corrupt practices to maximize the
spend into F1.
Lets hope the liberty crew stamp this stuff into the ground although having Brawn involved raises questions.They should
watch him carefully.
Rules all made to suit what Mercedes had been working on for many years.And a deluded renault thought they could do.
They need to start from scratch with something easily achievable and this is where the Americans come in that will just shout down
all the b
ks that the speccy lab boys suggest and Bernie was too old to care about.Easy to say poach staff from each other to get to the same level but this just screams of corrupt practices to maximize the
spend into F1.
Lets hope the liberty crew stamp this stuff into the ground although having Brawn involved raises questions.They should
watch him carefully.
rscott said:
I don't think they'll use the Alfa brand in F1 - more likely that'll be used for their Formula E entry.
Possible. I think it could go either way, I wonder which brand they want to the electric message the most? Alfa or Fiat maybe? I've lost track of their electric/hybrid commitments.Vaud said:
rscott said:
I don't think they'll use the Alfa brand in F1 - more likely that'll be used for their Formula E entry.
Possible. I think it could go either way, I wonder which brand they want to the electric message the most? Alfa or Fiat maybe? I've lost track of their electric/hybrid commitments.Vaud said:
MissChief said:
Last I heard/read was that Sauber's engines might be branded Alfa Romeo.
Which would seem in line with them getting current spec Ferrari engines.MissChief said:
Vaud said:
rscott said:
That's where the sensible money is. In which case it'll confirm the Maserati name for Formula E
thegreenhell said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
How much would Ferrari have to pay Fiat Chrysler to use any of the FCA brand names?
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