Honda - another disaster ?

Honda - another disaster ?

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Doink

1,652 posts

148 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Question....

Say mclaren were to swap to merc engines that were destined for manor, manor I belive were using the Williams back end ie gearbox and suspension, I think it's fair to assume mclaren's gearbox wouldn't fit the merc engine so as well as modifying the back of the tub to accept the engine they'd also have to rework the gearbox too as it very unlikely Williams would agree to mclaren having their gearbox and suspension

skwdenyer

16,511 posts

241 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Article 5.3.8 of the F1 Technical Regulations specifies that bulkhead & gearbox mountings must be common, and the engine block be a common size.

In principle and in fact, any gearbox will bolt onto any engine, and any engine will bolt onto any tub.

That is, of course, the easy bit smile

MartG

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20,683 posts

205 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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s3fella said:
Check out the McLaren Honda official racewear in Ebay Daily deals today! light jackets for a tenner.....?
Last years colour scheme, so not related to the current issues wink

slipstream 1985

12,225 posts

180 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Why dont honda buy mannor?

FourWheelDrift

88,542 posts

285 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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slipstream 1985 said:
Why dont honda buy mannor?
We could have a whip round - http://www.gordonbrothers.co.uk/assets-for-sale/ma...

Doink

1,652 posts

148 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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I read that the main stumbling block with interested buyers was that they were worried about being sued by the bianchi family and assurance's that they couldn't be [because they weren't the owners at the time] could not be given and no buyer was prepared to take the risk

HustleRussell

24,712 posts

161 months

Friday 17th March 2017
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Doink]I read that the main stumbling block with interested buyers was that they were worried about being sued by the bianchi family and assurance's that they couldn't be [because they weren't the owners at the time said:
could not be given and no buyer was prepared to take the risk
If that's the case, what a lamentable legacy for Jules, completely at odds with his competitive, race loving spirit.

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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HustleRussell said:
If that's the case, what a lamentable legacy for Jules, completely at odds with his competitive, race loving spirit.
But true, nonetheless. I'm aware of one individual for whom that was a bridge too far.

Z3MCJez

531 posts

173 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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rubystone said:
HustleRussell said:
If that's the case, what a lamentable legacy for Jules, completely at odds with his competitive, race loving spirit.
But true, nonetheless. I'm aware of one individual for whom that was a bridge too far.
There is no question that the liability for Jules' death (if any) doesn't lie in the assets or the individual people, or the knowledge and designs. The only thing that could possibly create that link is something in the Concorde Agreement around racing registrations. I find it hard to see any other way.

But as I don't have a copy of the Concorde Agreement, I've got no idea what that says about successor entities. I'm sure with a bit of a will there would have been a way to register the team as a new team, even if that does need the consent of everyone else. I can only really see Sauber not being excited about that (threat of money for finishing 10th) but surely it doesn't serve them well to be consistently at the back? When they're racing they may be getting TV time ...

Jez

skwdenyer

16,511 posts

241 months

Saturday 18th March 2017
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The liability would rest with the company. If you put the entity owning the entry through a pre-pack to shed any potential liability, you lose the entry itself. So you can't shed it.

So you ask for an indemnity, which nobody will give to you.

A conversation with Bianchi's parents might have been in order...

amokwa

478 posts

198 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Ooops, looks like Lewis mocked Honda in the drivers press conference :-)

FourWheelDrift

88,542 posts

285 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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amokwa said:
Ooops, looks like Lewis mocked Honda in the drivers press conference :-)
https://youtu.be/vLoI_UXkcS4?t=360

radical78

398 posts

145 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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who will get sick of this and walkaway first McLaren Honda or alonso

CraigyMc

16,413 posts

237 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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radical78 said:
who will get sick of this and walkaway first McLaren Honda or alonso
Honda have a 10 year contract with McLaren, which they are on the 3rd year of.

Alonso will walk first, one way or another.

dimma205

252 posts

134 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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Lewis may have mocked but if honda get there act together watch him wanting a return to mclaren so he can emulate his hero senna.

CraigyMc

16,413 posts

237 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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dimma205 said:
Lewis may have mocked but if honda get there act together watch him wanting a return to mclaren so he can emulate his hero senna.
Isn't he more likely to walk away from F1 with his couple of hundred million quid, and enjoy the rest of his life?

Vaud

50,549 posts

156 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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CraigyMc said:
Isn't he more likely to walk away from F1 with his couple of hundred million quid, and enjoy the rest of his life?
I think so. Do a Beckham and focus on the brand of Hamilton. Made Beckham more money after Man U IIRC? (and fair play to him)

Trevatanus

11,124 posts

151 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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skwdenyer said:
Article 5.3.8 of the F1 Technical Regulations specifies that bulkhead & gearbox mountings must be common, and the engine block be a common size.

In principle and in fact, any gearbox will bolt onto any engine, and any engine will bolt onto any tub.

That is, of course, the easy bit smile
When Brawn decided to go with the Mercedes power unit, they had a choice of that of a Ferrari unit.
They chose Merc because it fitted better.
How different F1 could have been if it went the other way!

Leroy902

1,540 posts

104 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Goodlord, just waiting for the usual on PH that froth at the mouth waiting for Lewis to do/say something before they can come on and do what they usually do, bh/moan about him.

DanielSan

18,800 posts

168 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Trevatanus said:
When Brawn decided to go with the Mercedes power unit, they had a choice of that of a Ferrari unit.
They chose Merc because it fitted better.
How different F1 could have been if it went the other way!
That was pre 1.6 engines though, I think the rule regarding a more standardised mounting point was amended for the new regs.