Honda - another disaster ?
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HustleRussell said:
Honda will pretty much get there. McLaren aren't going to Mercedes, Sauber are about to double Honda's testing hours and they are successfully getting many more brains on board.
I predict Honda's rate of progress this season will be seriously impressive. I'm not saying they will no longer be the worst engine manufacturer in the sport by the start of next season but they will be close.
I predict Honda's rate of progress this season will be seriously impressive. I'm not saying they will no longer be the worst engine manufacturer in the sport by the start of next season but they will be close.
2 installation laps covered and back in for an engine change following Honda's discovery of a water leak. I make that the 6th engine swap since Friday. A revised engine at that! This is absolutely farcical. Despite all the efforts that must surely be taking place, they are actively regressing. This has to be the biggest abject failure in F1 this century.
glazbagun said:
If nithing else, it's a good test of their commitment after bailing during the financial crisis, along with Toyota and their in-house money-burning departments.
If McLaren come good in another 2 years and win the WCC, it'll be the sweetest champagne ever tasted by an engine maker.
Of course for that to happen they'll need to retain a top driver.
That can't happen in 6 years with Honda, let alone 2. They simply cannot make up the difference. If others froze their engine development they may have a chance. If McLaren come good in another 2 years and win the WCC, it'll be the sweetest champagne ever tasted by an engine maker.
Of course for that to happen they'll need to retain a top driver.
RumbleOfThunder said:
glazbagun said:
If nithing else, it's a good test of their commitment after bailing during the financial crisis, along with Toyota and their in-house money-burning departments.
If McLaren come good in another 2 years and win the WCC, it'll be the sweetest champagne ever tasted by an engine maker.
Of course for that to happen they'll need to retain a top driver.
That can't happen in 6 years with Honda, let alone 2. They simply cannot make up the difference. If others froze their engine development they may have a chance. If McLaren come good in another 2 years and win the WCC, it'll be the sweetest champagne ever tasted by an engine maker.
Of course for that to happen they'll need to retain a top driver.
They're not only tarnishing their reputation now, they're undoing the great reputation they previously built up in the 80's. All that work is also being undone.
When someone mentioned "Honda" pre 2015, it brought back images of power, dominance and engineering, that work could be in vain if they continue like this. Literally, they may end up being known for many years as the opposite to what they were previously.
They need to turn it around SOON.
When someone mentioned "Honda" pre 2015, it brought back images of power, dominance and engineering, that work could be in vain if they continue like this. Literally, they may end up being known for many years as the opposite to what they were previously.
They need to turn it around SOON.
Dr Murdoch said:
They're not only tarnishing their reputation now, they're undoing the great reputation they previously built up in the 80's. All that work is also being undone.
To be frank, Honda started undoing all that good 1980's stuff in the 'naughties' as apart from JB's single win in Hungary, they hardly had a stellar 8 years in the sport between 2000 and 2008.I still cant understand why they continue to pump millions and millions in and this is their 3rd year without any progress. In fact after this amount of time you would expect to be in the top 4 but they are going backwards. Mclaren and Honda need a quick divorce for both their reputations.
F1GTRUeno said:
I don't understand how they consistently fail so badly every time they introduce something new.
How have the design team not been sacked?
It is a bit like a sketch out of the Wacky RacesHow have the design team not been sacked?
At the moment, McLaren and Honda have become the equivalent of Dastardly and Muttley by being unable to finish the races with engine problems;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad_duF9l3JU#t=862s...
Edited by Fortitude on Wednesday 19th April 09:34
Edited by Fortitude on Wednesday 19th April 09:38
aeropilot said:
To be frank, Honda started undoing all that good 1980's stuff in the 'naughties' as apart from JB's single win in Hungary, they hardly had a stellar 8 years in the sport between 2000 and 2008.
Yes, but whilst not stella it wasn't completely embarrassing. Their performance was a bit 'meh' and will largely be forgotten, this current situation is anything but forgettable.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff