Honda - another disaster ?
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El Guapo said:
The modifications they're trying now are the ones they should have been running on the dyno 8 months ago. The apparent lack of planning and direction at Honda is baffling.
Perhaps this video might give some indicators 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXZkmFFPy8A
Frimley111R said:
And replaced by who exactly? Its not like there's a ton of skilled engine designers and builders out there who are F1 standard.
Not in Japan maybe but throughout f1 circles I'd imagine there's a fair few, trouble is Honda up to now has refused point blank any outside [Japan] helpFourWheelDrift said:
That engine is a keeper, can they share it on race weekends? 
It's just a shame they have no idea how they did it...https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-can-t-e...
thegreenhell said:
FourWheelDrift said:
That engine is a keeper, can they share it on race weekends?
It's just a shame they have no idea how they did it...https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-can-t-e...
Rich_W said:
greygoose said:
I met a McLaren employee last night bringing parts back from Germany to UK, a daily trip apparently for wind tunnel testing, he was pretty downbeat about their prospects. Sadly the parts were not a German engine to go in the back.
Are they using the Toyota Wind tunnel? What happened to the one built into MTC? Not up to the job anymore?There's no point in building a new tunnel to that spec at the MTC, it would cost a lot and not give much of a gain in development time (just the time flying parts back and forward to Cologne). Bear in mind that tunnel time is limited to a small number of runs per team. It actually makes sense for F1 teams to share tunnels because of this.
The only wind tunnel in the world that's significantly better for Motorsport development is Windshear, which Gene Haas owns.
Frimley111R said:
F1GTRUeno said:
How have the design team not been sacked?
And replaced by who exactly? Its not like there's a ton of skilled engine designers and builders out there who are F1 standard.Gilles Simon was amongst those shown the door.
CraigyMc said:
Doink said:
And if they don't know why then they can't fix it, what a sad state of affairs
Honda will take that engine to bits, and x-ray and microscope all of it looking for early signs of something broken.They'll compare this with the damage from the broken engines.
k all to fix it !Come on Honda, give it up. Your embarrassing yourselves now.
Gary C said:
CraigyMc said:
Doink said:
And if they don't know why then they can't fix it, what a sad state of affairs
Honda will take that engine to bits, and x-ray and microscope all of it looking for early signs of something broken.They'll compare this with the damage from the broken engines.
k all to fix it !Come on Honda, give it up. Your embarrassing yourselves now.
CraigyMc said:
Gary C said:
CraigyMc said:
Doink said:
And if they don't know why then they can't fix it, what a sad state of affairs
Honda will take that engine to bits, and x-ray and microscope all of it looking for early signs of something broken.They'll compare this with the damage from the broken engines.
k all to fix it !Come on Honda, give it up. Your embarrassing yourselves now.
How long ?
yes, they will be running simulations and (hopefully) engines in test cells to find it and fix the vibration problem, but Honda have a reputation as master engine builders which is being severely tarnished, I mean this is the third season and basically the same engine still can't finish a race on full power.
As bad as the Peugeot foray into f1.
Gary C said:
Will they ?
How long ?
yes, they will be running simulations and (hopefully) engines in test cells to find it and fix the vibration problem, but Honda have a reputation as master engine builders which is being severely tarnished, I mean this is the third season and basically the same engine still can't finish a race on full power.
As bad as the Peugeot foray into f1.
It's not basically the same engine, there are no interchangeable parts with the 2016 engine.How long ?
yes, they will be running simulations and (hopefully) engines in test cells to find it and fix the vibration problem, but Honda have a reputation as master engine builders which is being severely tarnished, I mean this is the third season and basically the same engine still can't finish a race on full power.
As bad as the Peugeot foray into f1.
The Peugeot F1 engine was actually a Le Mans engine repurposed into an F1 engine at the last minute, and running in a regime that it wasn't designed for, which is why it kept shedding its flywheel.
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