Honda - another disaster ?

Honda - another disaster ?

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Order66

6,728 posts

250 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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poo at Paul's said:
It managed 3 corners apparently this morning.

Way to go!
Indeed, bad failure. Was so terminal the engine seized and locked the wheels (on the move) - could have been very nasty. They couldn't even get it to engage neutral to be pushed off the circuit.

Fernando didn't look happy - went back to his hotel immediately. Not confirmed yet if he will show up for FP2. I can see this being his last race - get the Indy drive done then tell McLaren to stick it.

FrankAbagnale

1,702 posts

113 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Fernando has gone to play tennis. Really, he has.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BT_Lo0WFj9y/?taken-by=...

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

153 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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I still can't see Fernando walking before the end of the season.

At the moment he is widely viewed as a talent struggling in a shoebox with wheels - it is doing McLaren and Honda's reputation spades and spades of harm. But I don't think it is Alonso's - every one is just saying he deserves better.

If he decides to walk it will look like a flounce though. An understandable one, but a flounce never the less. So unless he is dropping straight in to a more competitive race seat - I think he is better off toughing it out


gibbon

2,182 posts

208 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Vocal Minority said:
I still can't see Fernando walking before the end of the season.

At the moment he is widely viewed as a talent struggling in a shoebox with wheels - it is doing McLaren and Honda's reputation spades and spades of harm. But I don't think it is Alonso's - every one is just saying he deserves better.

If he decides to walk it will look like a flounce though. An understandable one, but a flounce never the less. So unless he is dropping straight in to a more competitive race seat - I think he is better off toughing it out
The guy has been earning circa $50m a year for more than a decade, he can have, i imagine pretty much any drive in another series, theres a whole world out there, if a decent seat doesnt appear in f1 he would be mad not to just walk away, which i believe he will.

DKL

4,497 posts

223 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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I can't help feeling he needs to do very well at Indy otherwise doubts will start to creep in about his ability.
He's been this revered bloke bumbling along at the back for 3 seasons so hasn't been at the sharp end duking it out with the leaders. He could do it in spades but its been a while. I'm sure he belives he's the same person and the way he is talked about others seem to but he hasn't had the opportunity to show it for quite a while.
A poor performance in a new genre could dent his reputation and make managers doubt him enough to give a drive to a younger gun on the way up.
I hope he does well.

KevinCamaroSS

11,641 posts

281 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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DKL said:
I can't help feeling he needs to do very well at Indy otherwise doubts will start to creep in about his ability.
He's been this revered bloke bumbling along at the back for 3 seasons so hasn't been at the sharp end duking it out with the leaders. He could do it in spades but its been a while. I'm sure he belives he's the same person and the way he is talked about others seem to but he hasn't had the opportunity to show it for quite a while.
A poor performance in a new genre could dent his reputation and make managers doubt him enough to give a drive to a younger gun on the way up.
I hope he does well.
Don't forget he has been putting in some stellar performances in until the McLaren Honda breaks.

FourWheelDrift

88,550 posts

285 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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KevinCamaroSS said:
Don't forget he has been putting in some stellar performances in until the McLaren Honda breaks.
His pit exit this morning was textbook racing aggression. biggrin

glazbagun

14,281 posts

198 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Has this year actually been worse than their first year back? The penalties are going to kill them this year as they can't take a 60 place hit for three new engines anymore.

I wonder how Ron feels.

Crafty_

13,297 posts

201 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Zak Brown on Sky now laughing it off. Apparently he's happy with the direction, just takes time.

Still not sure on him.

DS240

4,675 posts

219 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Crafty_ said:
Zak Brown on Sky now laughing it off. Apparently he's happy with the direction, just takes time.

Still not sure on him.
Anyone else think faux hardman gangster Ray Winston every time he's on TV.... or just me?!

Trevatanus

11,125 posts

151 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Crafty_ said:
Zak Brown on Sky now laughing it off. Apparently he's happy with the direction, just takes time.

Still not sure on him.
Isn't this year 3 of Honda?
How much time we talking?

glazbagun

14,281 posts

198 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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What is this "direction" he's talking of? They've gone from blowing up engines every race in 2015 to blowing up engines before they even start in 2017. Is Donald Trump running the Honda garage?

I'll eat my words if Honda pull out a 50HP advantage in the closing season, but I'd sooner bet on them finishing behind Sauber at this rate.

Oh for the days when all McLaren had to worry about was the lack of a title sponsor.

Edited by glazbagun on Friday 12th May 17:26

Gary C

12,484 posts

180 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Vocal Minority said:
I still can't see Fernando walking before the end of the season.

At the moment he is widely viewed as a talent struggling in a shoebox with wheels - it is doing McLaren and Honda's reputation spades and spades of harm. But I don't think it is Alonso's - every one is just saying he deserves better.

If he decides to walk it will look like a flounce though. An understandable one, but a flounce never the less. So unless he is dropping straight in to a more competitive race seat - I think he is better off toughing it out
Don't think it would be seen as a flounce when he has put so many years into this dead duck.

I actually think alonso should leave.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

153 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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End of a season - maybe

Mid-season - I don't think it'd do him good if there's no where to go

Order66

6,728 posts

250 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Vocal Minority said:
End of a season - maybe

Mid-season - I don't think it'd do him good if there's no where to go
I reckon he could be in that Renault of JP in the blink of an eye.....

red_slr

17,264 posts

190 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Order66 said:
I reckon he could be in that Renault of JP in the blink of an eye.....
Yup, I suspect there are 2 or 3 seats he could fill. I think Renault is a major possibility though given the previous talk of the link up with FA.

Vaud

50,583 posts

156 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Gary C said:
I actually think alonso should leave.
Interesting to see Ferrari mentioned by a few commentators.

glazbagun

14,281 posts

198 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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Vaud said:
Gary C said:
I actually think alonso should leave.
Interesting to see Ferrari mentioned by a few commentators.
Can't imagine that with Vettel there. Did he leave under a cloud or was it all quite civil at the end of 2014?

Order66

6,728 posts

250 months

Friday 12th May 2017
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glazbagun said:
Can't imagine that with Vettel there.
I think they are talking for next year. Ferrari has no drivers under contract for 2018.

Thundersports

656 posts

146 months

Saturday 13th May 2017
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Ferrari next year. Vettel is moving on. The main question is who will be the other Ferrari driver.