McLaren explore Mercedes engine option

McLaren explore Mercedes engine option

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LaurasOtherHalf

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Otispunkmeyer

12,610 posts

156 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
Seems someone might have had a few fleeting words but nothing concrete has happened. Equally I can see discussions happening though.

Rock and a hard place for McLaren.

On the one hand Honda are footing half their bills and providing the drive train. If that falls apart, then McLaren could be on the hook for a few million paying for customer engines and then there is the, likely quite real, chance that the chassis aint all that and they still don't perform. Egg on faces all round.


LaurasOtherHalf

Original Poster:

21,429 posts

197 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Otispunkmeyer said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Seems someone might have had a few fleeting words but nothing concrete has happened. Equally I can see discussions happening though.

Rock and a hard place for McLaren.

On the one hand Honda are footing half their bills and providing the drive train. If that falls apart, then McLaren could be on the hook for a few million paying for customer engines and then there is the, likely quite real, chance that the chassis aint all that and they still don't perform. Egg on faces all round.
I'm not so sure, you'd think it had to come from somewhere.

red_slr

17,266 posts

190 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Last chance for Honda when stuff like this ends up in the PD.

I think they have one foot firmly out of the door at the moment.

LaurasOtherHalf

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197 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Sources confirmed now;
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-sounds-...

The units earmarked for Manor could be ready by mid season, essentially it's confirmed they spoke to Mercedes and they didn't say no.

Sa Calobra

37,171 posts

212 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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The sauce is the BBC online

lee_fr200

5,482 posts

191 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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They would never win another wdc and wcc while there's a merc works team!

Stick with Honda and sort it out or try and get Audi/vw interested

KevinCamaroSS

11,641 posts

281 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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lee_fr200 said:
They would never win another wdc and wcc while there's a merc works team!

Stick with Honda and sort it out or try and get Audi/vw interested
At least they would finish races and be in with a podium shout if they went Merc. Better than failing to finish at all?

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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KevinCamaroSS said:
At least they would finish races and be in with a podium shout if they went Merc. Better than failing to finish at all?
Under Ron second was never good enough. Under Mansour/Bahrainis, perhaps it is? Or perhaps even SuperZac needs results to attract the right partners (will they now drop that moniker too, I wonder?)

Or perhaps the hints that have been dropped about the divestment of the F1 team are true and they need results to build up the value of the team?

What is clear is that nothing will change this year. Others have said that it's a harmonic issue that's stopping Honda running the engines at full power. I'm guessing that for PR purposes they will indeed turn down the engines in Melbourne.

Skipppy

1,135 posts

211 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Exit Honda, short term use of Mercedes, long term their own engines would be my bet, as long as they can get a decent sponsor!

lee_fr200

5,482 posts

191 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Honda will come good, the last 2 yrs they blamed the token system this year they can go balls out now so it will be sorted I reckon! Look at how redbull slagged Renault off then looked daft when they couldn't go elsewhere!

Now they're back with Renault and last year after the upgrade the car was competitive come Monaco!

Honda will get there

aeropilot

34,673 posts

228 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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lee_fr200 said:
They would never win another wdc and wcc while there's a merc works team!
They are never going to win another WDC/WCC with Honda either.






Sa Calobra

37,171 posts

212 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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aeropilot said:
They are never going to win another WDC/WCC with Honda ever.
FTFY

lee_fr200

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191 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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aeropilot said:
lee_fr200 said:
They would never win another wdc and wcc while there's a merc works team!
They are never going to win another WDC/WCC with Honda either.
Why because the currently haven't got it good? They will do all this talk is to get Honda off their arses and working on a fix!

jamesson

2,993 posts

222 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Sa Calobra said:
The sauce is the BBC online
The what?

Sa Calobra

37,171 posts

212 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Source = sauce. I take the beeb mostly nowadays as partial reporting

DanielSan

18,807 posts

168 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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lee_fr200 said:
Why because the currently haven't got it good? They will do all this talk is to get Honda off their arses and working on a fix!
It hasn't worked for the last 3 years though and Honda are in a fresh engine design and effectively 5-6 years behind Mercedes in development.

another 3 points

937 posts

198 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Honda to ditch whinging McLaren and enter their own team. Beating McLaren Ferrari, or McLaren Mercedes, or McLaren Renault or whoever bungs them a power unit. Many a truth is said in jest.

hairyben

8,516 posts

184 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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another 3 points said:
Honda to ditch whinging McLaren and enter their own team. Beating McLaren Ferrari, or McLaren Mercedes, or McLaren Renault or whoever bungs them a power unit. Many a truth is said in jest.
Honda woukd struggle to beat max mosely at one of his special parties. They dont seem to have the killer instinct, the willingness to do whtever it takes, its quite sad and pathetic but theyre turning up with issues that as far as i can see should have been sorted out on a private track somewhere 6 months ago

cheddar

4,637 posts

175 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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hairyben said:
Honda woukd struggle to beat max mosely at one of his special parties
Quality line biggrin